Jorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2811 posts, RR: 7 Posted (3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3352 times:
Hi.
Was on a Fokker 100 yesterday for the first time and noticed that we took-off with no flaps set. I know that it is common practise on A300 if conditions are good. Which airliners can do this also under normal passenger/cargo operations?
Okie From United States, joined Jul 2003, 972 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (3 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3113 times:
Quoting Jorge1812 (Thread starter): Was on a Fokker 100 yesterday for the first time and noticed that we took-off with no flaps set.
The first time I was on a F-100 was shortly after the NW and DL no flap takeoffs and accidents and I was double cinching the seat belt as we rolled down the runway.
767driver From United States, joined Feb 2008, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3068 times:
Quoting LAX25R (Reply 11): I thought that flaps 1 (slats only) was do-able in the 767-200, but not the -300 nor -400?
As long as the aircraft was delivered with a certification for a flaps 1 takeoff and you have performance for it you're allowed to do it. As far as I know the -300's were not delivered with this modification (at least ours aren't). I can't speak for the -400, but I believe the -200 was certified for a flaps 1 takeoff
Ajd1992 From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2006, 1218 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3039 times:
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Vr at flaps 0 is 60, Vr at flaps 1 is 53 (short field only for flapped take off, though), FYI. Don't ask on the amount of runway that'd use on a T/O run, I have a 7500 foot runway to use so length for me isn't really an issue...
Actually, most aircraft that are single engined (only exception to that I can think of is maybe the Cessna Caravan) take off with no flaps, they usually have no need to.
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Boeing767mech From United States, joined Dec 2000, 551 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2989 times:
Quoting 767driver (Reply 12): As long as the aircraft was delivered with a certification for a flaps 1 takeoff and you have performance for it you're allowed to do it. As far as I know the -300's were not delivered with this modification (at least ours aren't). I can't speak for the -400, but I believe the -200 was certified for a flaps 1 takeoff
According to our flight manuals the 200ER's are the only ones that can do a Flaps One take-off. The 767-300ER's are Flaps Five
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Jorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2811 posts, RR: 7 Reply 17, posted (3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2943 times:
Thanks for the detailed infos guys.
Quoting Okie (Reply 9): The first time I was on a F-100 was shortly after the NW and DL no flap takeoffs and accidents and I was double cinching the seat belt as we rolled down the runway.
For sure I was a bit nervous about that cause I had the accidents in my mind.
747fan From United States, joined Jun 2007, 853 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (3 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2883 times:
A300's do it all the time, notably UPS; I rarely see a UPS A300 takeoff that doesn't use just Flaps 1. They usually have a longish takeoff run (often around 6K ft. for a <3 hour flight), yet they climb quite steeply.
Interestingly enough, I've noticed that FX and AA A300's seem to rarely perform Flaps 1 takeoffs.
Airbuster From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 179 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
Fokker 70, hehe.
The 70 and 100 can also do a Flap 8 takeoff, though it has to be heavy, hot, high and short before it comes to that! Or on a contaminated runway because of a lower takeoff speed reducing the roll.
2H4 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 7290 posts, RR: 54 Reply 21, posted (3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2851 times:
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Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 20): Hm... if it's you asking this question, 2H4, it could very well be the obscurest, least-known flying object around
Well, delta-wing aircraft are obvious (Concorde, Vulcan, etc), as delta wings rarely (never?) have flaps anyway. The lack of flaps on those aircraft is not particularly surprising.
So really, the more interesting question is, what is the largest non-delta-wing airplane not equipped with flaps?
The only ones I can come up with are small ones. Cessna 120, Pitts, Extra 300. I can't think of any larger examples.
L1011 From United States, joined May 1999, 1306 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
A couple of weeks ago I was on a US Airways 767-200 and we took off from Bermuda with no flaps. I was behind the wing, so I couldn't see whether the slats were extended or not.
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