TimePilot From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 295 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2263 times:
Okay here's another dumb one.
In my city of Nagoya, the new Centrair airport opened in January this year. So, how did they move the planes from the old facility- in Komaki city- to the new one? Did the planes just take off from the old airport, then when returning were told to go to the new one or something? Or one night after everyone went to bed they all took off one after another and went to the new airport?
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6211 posts, RR: 74 Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2223 times:
It's a combination of both...
all flights leaving and coming back tomorrow would just fly out of the old, and land back at the new since it's already open by that time.
Those aircraft that would normally remain overnight, either does extra flights to come back in the next day (airlines may prefer this as it could be less costly than a simple ferry), or just go from the old to the new airport after everyone's gone to sleep. But, if the old airport remains open, then it's a more complicated mixture of both...
It's been done in a lot of these cases... JKT&HLP to CGK, Kai Tak to new HKG, etc etc...
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Fokker Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2205 times:
No, No, No. They folded up the wings and loaded every single plane on to really big trucks. They waited for everyone to fall asleep, and then there was a huge convoy through the city. When you woke up in the morning, they all acted natural, and pretended that nothing happened. All except that one street sign they forgot to change.
FredT From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2002, 2184 posts, RR: 26 Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2149 times:
Fokker Lover,
in my town, with the military aircraft industry complex with adjoining airfield on one side of town and air force base on the other side, it has in fact been done on numerous occasions for various reasons. Aircraft have been towed through the city streets at night between the two airports. A few light poles had to be temporarily removed and that was it. Made for some rather interesting pictures!
Cheers,
Fred
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TimePilot From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 295 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2059 times:
As far as I know, NKM is still open but only for very few flights, mostly short distance ones. I haven't been since service switched to Centrair.
It's a little sad in that airplanes don't fly over the city anymore like they used to. I remember earlier this year I was teaching a private student at his house. On the way there, I went almost directly under the landing approach to NKM- it was quite a site when 747s came in, especially at sunset or at night.
Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1927 times:
Quoting Fokker Lover (Reply 2): It's been done in a lot of these cases... JKT&HLP to CGK, Kai Tak to new HKG, etc etc...
One of the biggest "airlifts" was when Stapleton closed and everything moved to the (then) new Denver airport ...
United, in particular, had lots of aircraft that had to move since that's a major hub for them ... they pretty much unbolted anything portable in each gate area, loaded it into the plane @ the gate, and off it went to DEN, where they offloaded everything they'd hauled out of old Stapleton ...
Ground vehicles they had to drive overland; a process that's usually more difficult then the airplanes as most of those vehicles either can't go very fast, or simply aren't designed for highway driving.
It's a whole process that's orchestrated months in advance with very careful planning, so it all goes off smoothly.
Electech6299 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 616 posts, RR: 3 Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
Quoting Litz (Reply 5): Ground vehicles they had to drive overland; a process that's usually more difficult then the airplanes as most of those vehicles either can't go very fast, or simply aren't designed for highway driving.
I can't imagine that- especially with Denver's rating as a "Green" airport, with predominantly electric GSE. And none of the GSE is road legal- that's a DOT requirement. If it's excluded from DOT's design criteria, it can't go on DOT's roads. (Kinda like farm vehicles...) I know exceptions to the rules are made, but I just can't imagine what a traffic cop would say if a T500 (heavy tug) rolled up next to me at a red light.
I would guess that "overland" transit would involve loading the vehicles onto goose-neck trailers for transit- perhaps less expensive than cargo flight, as that isn't United's realm of operation. But I do wonder....if CargoLux had to move a base of operations, would anyone ever notice?
BTW, I would love to be wrong about this, and see the pics of a baggage tractor convoy on the highway
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Litz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1745 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1795 times:
Quoting Electech6299 (Reply 6): I can't imagine that- especially with Denver's rating as a "Green" airport, with predominantly electric GSE. And none of the GSE is road legal- that's a DOT requirement. If it's excluded from DOT's design criteria, it can't go on DOT's roads. (Kinda like farm vehicles...) I know exceptions to the rules are made, but I just can't imagine what a traffic cop would say if a T500 (heavy tug) rolled up next to me at a red light. whistleblower
BTW, I would love to be wrong about this, and see the pics of a baggage tractor convoy on the highway rotf
Well, you're exactly correct : under normal circumstances such vehicles would not be allowed on a public road ... they don't have license tags, inspection stickers, emissions tests, et al.
But in a case like this, a one-off exhemption would have been negotiated with the powers-that-be in order to allow a one-time convoy of vehicles from one airport to another ... after all, how else are you supoosed to get literally hundreds (if not thousands) of vehicles of all types from one airport to another literally within a few hours, between shutdown in the evening at one airport, and startup in the morning at another?
I'm sure it must have been quite a sight ... think about all different types of wheeled vehicles at an airport and what that convoy must have looked like ...
(did anyone back then get pictures? DEN is the largest airport move I can think of within the US in recent years that wasn't within airport property) ...
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