ramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1455 posts, RR: 2 Posted (12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5030 times:
First off, sorry about the blurry pic. This aircraft has been sitting down at the FBO for almost a week now. After looking at the database. It looks like the Dutch have 2 KDC-10's. Both of them show with a boom. This one didn't have the boom. I didn't catch the aircraft number. Does anybody know why a Dutch transport would be sitting idle at PDX for this long?
9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 243 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4952 times:
I can't help with the why but this would be T-255, a DC-10 which operates alongside our 2 KDC-10s. Apart from the normal military missions it's also regularly used for humanitarian missions.
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larshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4878 times:
Quoting 9MMPQ (Reply 1): I can't help with the why but this would be T-255, a DC-10 which operates alongside our 2 KDC-10s. Apart from the normal military missions it's also regularly used for humanitarian missions.
Didn't knew The RNLAF had a plain DC-10. I remember seeing the KDC-10's doing touch and goes in AAL a few fridays in a row. A beautiful aircraft.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1783 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4691 times:
Here is a video (In Dutch) of the third RNLAF (KLU) DC10-30CF, with registration T255.
This is the first (certification) DC10 with the CUP (cockpit upgrade program) installed. This CUP will also be installed at the two RNLAF KDC10's and the 59 USAF KDC10 aircraft.
From elapsed time 2.18 minutes the upgraded cockpit is clearly visible .
The aircraft (MSN 46987, L/N255, ex United) will be sold after the cockpit upgrade of the two KDC10's has been finished. (budget cuts) and will have been active for approx. 2 years. What a terrible waste of money.
NBGSkyGod From United States of America, joined May 2004, 597 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4623 times:
Quoting ptrjong (Reply 8): We maken fun about American tourists who aren't sure in which country they are, but don't worry, I can't point out Wyoming on the map either
Neither can we, but that another discussion.
Interesting though that it would be sitting for two weeks without a mission. Is it used only for RNLAF missions or is it available for NATO tasking as well?
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SSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 434 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4508 times:
Quoting ptrjong (Reply 8): We maken fun about American tourists who aren't sure in which country they are, but don't worry, I can't point out Wyoming on the map either
I just met a merchant mariner who was absolutely insistent that Belgium was part of the Netherlands. So, sure-- confusion. I think maybe he wanted to know what the "low countries" were, because he kept asking what "the other" constituent of the Netherlands other than Belgium was. Maybe he was looking for Luxembourg? I suggested Flanders, and I couldn't remember Wallonia. Still no idea what he was after. Amusing nonetheless.
petertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3231 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4502 times:
Quoting bennett123 (Reply 11): Do you have any details of the 4th aircraft.
There ain't no 4th.
The RNLAF has only got three DC-10s. Two tankers and a normal one for use as cargo and troop transport.
The RNLAF bought three DC-10s from Martinair. They then leased them back to Martinair for a while until the planes could be converted into tankers. During this lease period Martinair crashed PH-MBN at Faro. It took a while, but eventually it was decided to buy another DC-10, this time from United. However, due to budget cuts, it was decided that the third DC-10 would not to go for the tanker conversion. It will get the cockpit update though.
Type --------------- Serial ------- C/N -------------- Former identity
DC-10-30CF ----- (T-218) ----- 46924/218 ----- PH-MBN, Martinair - crashed at Faro
KDC-10-30F ----- T-235 ------- 46956/235 ----- PH-MBP, Martinair
DC-10-30CF ----- T-255 ------- 46987/255 ----- N1858U, United
KDC-10-30F ----- T-264 ------- 46985/264 ----- PH-MBT, Martinair
According several sources this is the sister-ship of T255 : T253 with MSN 46986 and L/N 253, prev. registration N1857U.
The aircraft is still stored at Marana (MZJ).
ramprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1455 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4388 times:
Quoting 747classic (Reply 9): The aircraft (MSN 46987, L/N255, ex United)
Then I worked this aircraft back in the day. Before UA converted the few DC-10-30's they had to cargo planes, they flew around the system as passenger planes. There was one 30 that already had a upper deck cargo door installed. I think UA bought this plane from World. It might of been N1857U.
mcg From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 671 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4263 times:
Quoting ptrjong (Reply 8): We maken fun about American tourists who aren't sure in which country they are, but don't worry, I can't point out Wyoming on the map either
No confusion about the location of Denmark and Holland, but I should have paid a little more attention to the appropriate abbreviation for the Royal Netherlands Air Force.
747classic From Netherlands, joined Aug 2009, 1783 posts, RR: 11 Reply 20, posted (12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4261 times:
The sale, next year, of T-255 is political motivated and IMO decided by no-no's with no technical expertise at all, after completion of a totally mis-managed modification program (5+ years).
But all costs of the very expensive modification of T-255 have already been paid for. The DC10 can be operated relative cheap in military cargo-operations for at least five years, till the next HMV is due.
The other two tankers can exclusively be used for "real tanker" operations and not used for transport operations.
However, no cargo airline can and will buy T-255, with it's unique (military) cockpit layout. So the remaining value will also be very low.......................
The only possible customer could be the USAF with a fleet of 59 KC10's , with the same cockpit.
Perhaps they want it for free.
T-253 can only be sold for scrap-value and can better be kept as a spare parts provider for the whole fleet. The only costs are the parking-fees at Marana.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1173 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4213 times:
Quoting ptrjong (Reply 8):
We maken fun about American tourists who aren't sure in which country they are, but don't worry, I can't point out Wyoming on the map either
pdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 21 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (12 months 11 hours ago) and read 3939 times:
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To all who are interested to know as to why T-255 was actually at PDX. First off their has been a lot of speculation that it came in to PDX because it was broken. Not entirely true. It came in to pick up some UAV's to take back to the Netherlands. While it was waiting to pick up the UAV's. It broke and parts had to be flown in from the Netherlands. So while it was waiting for the UAV's it was fixed. UAV's loaded up and it left !
columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6798 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3584 times:
Would love to see these Dc 10s being replaced with KLMs MD 11s
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
25 747classic: Why would you want to created another subtype. The Dutch defense budget is already very thight, so another try to "invent the wheel" will never happe
26 columba: Don´t get me wrong I don´t want to see the KD 10s ago but if one day they have to go, then please being replaced by MD 11s
27 LifelinerOne: The KDC-10's barely survived the latest budget cuts. I suspect the end of Dutch in-flight refueling when the KDC-10's are taken out of use. Cheers!
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