johnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1339 posts, RR: 5 Posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 18371 times:
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A Norwegian C-130 routed from Evenas to Kiruna is missing. Radar contact was lost around 3pm local time.
Search efforts has produced no result yet, and the weather situation is bad with snow drift and winds.
The search and rescue team consists of aircraft from Sweden, Norway and the US. The aircraft was part of the "Cold Response" drill in northern Scandinavia. Aftenposten states that the aircraft was new...
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johnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1339 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 18128 times:
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Swedish Search And Rescue department reports that Norwegian F16's has picked up heat spots in the area, but it's too early to say if it's hikers, reindeer/wildlife or the crew.
johnkrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1339 posts, RR: 5 Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17999 times:
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And now the Ministry of defense reported they were wrong, the plane has NOT been found.
Geez, I can understand it's chaos right now, but to call out that the crew has perished without actually knowing it is unbelievable...
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Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3224 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 17983 times:
The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished. The aircraft apparently has not been located. There will be a pressconferance 21:00 Norwegian time.
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 692 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17772 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15): When it comes to a crisis the Norwegian authorities are fairly incompetent. They really shouldn't announce anything until the plane is found.
Norway's ministry of defence now confirmed in a press conference that the C-130J has crashed......but the plane hasn't been found yet.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15): They really shouldn't announce anything
Probably was a prepared "scenario" statement that leaked, someone pushed send instead of save
The search equipment right now is (source Swedish Search And Rescue department):
2 Danish Merlins
2 Norwegian Sea Kings
1 US Hercules
1 US AWACS plane
1 Norwegian Orion
On the ground Swedish mountain rescue and miltary personnel is taking part in the search
The emergency signal caught earlier has not lead to anything
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ThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 124 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17674 times:
latest info:
Quote: 2012-03-15 21:20
Stabsgenomgång på JRCC
2 Norska Seaking och 2 Danska Merlin Helikoptrar står nu i Kiruna och tankar.
i Luften är nu:
-Amerikansk Hercules
-Norsk Orion-Amerikans AWACS
På marken söker fjällräddningsgrupper och flera grupper med militär personal.
Alla vittnesuppgifter verifieras och helikoptrarna skall ut söka på troliga platser.
Tidigare uppgifter om nödsändare har inte gett något.
short summary in english:
2 Danish Sea Kings and 2 Norwegian Merlins are at Kiruna for refueling.
Currently airborne aircraft:
American Hercules and Norwegian Orion and American Awacs.
On the ground several mountain rescue groups are searching on probable locations.
Earlier info about emergency transmitter has not resulted in anything.
JRCC are the Swedish Joint Rescue and Coordination Center (Sweden Rescue)
that is responsible for leading the SAR operation.
CXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 17321 times:
Still haven't found anything. Weather is just getting worse, and it looks like the helicopters will have to halt their search. I'm really astounded at how long this is taking.
Hoping for the best. A crash landing with no serious injuries, and the personell are just waiting for rescue services.
BladeLWS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 386 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 17221 times:
Depends on how remote/rough the terrain is, if I remember correctly when we lost the F-22 in Alaska it took some time to locate it also due to all the snow and terrain.
Hopefully the crew survived and are safe from the storm for the time being, one would hope their emergency beacon would be working.
Gyreaux130J From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17107 times:
TGIF From Sweden, joined Apr 2008, 273 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 16890 times:
There are now reports that all helicopters are grounded again due to the bad weather. Very bad news since searching by foot in this type of terrain is very slow, even if the current area of interest is "only" 3 by 5 kilometers. Hope the weather improves soon.
25 SASDC8: It it certain that the C-130J is down and if what the media report is correct, it was flying at around 2300 meters altitude is a mountain range were t
26 bjorn14: With the altitude and weather sounds like a CFIT.
27 ThunderboltDrgn: webcam from Kebnekaise: http://www.webbkameror.se/webbkameror/kebnekaise/index.php and a map of the ground personnel search area: http://www.sjofartsv
28 KC135TopBoom: Is it snowing in the area of the crash? Are there any glacias nearby they could have crash landed on? If the crew survived the crash, and the airplane
29 johnkrist: The Norwegian Orion has observed something orange on the ground in the north east corner of the search area. Would be somewhere around "Nordtoppen" (T
30 ThunderboltDrgn: Yeah very poor weather in the area that prevents the helicopters from entering the search area. Regarding glaciers yes there are a couple of them in
31 johnkrist: It's not snowing right now, however the winds with snow drift and low ceiling in the area makes visibility poor.
32 johnkrist: There has been some gaps in the cloud layer and 2 Danish Merlins are heading for the area to investigate the orange objects observed earlier. All info
33 SASDC8: Norwegian media now reports that metal parts, thought to be from the missing C-130, has be found on both sides of the mountain top Kebnekaise. It sure
34 ThunderboltDrgn: yes apparently Swedish groundforces claims that the metalparts smells like jet fuel. http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8037994
35 ThunderboltDrgn: Swedish JRCC now confirms that a Swedish unit found several padded objects that are soaked with paraffin (fotogen). These have been photographed and t
36 AirlineCritic: Maybe... with an error in altitude, or if they planned to descend to lower than highest mountaintops, a navigation error. But I do not think CFIT is
37 johnkrist: It's Jet-A1, Norwegians call it paraffine, Swedes fotogen or rather flygfotogen (Aviation kerosene)
38 Mortyman: Norwegian specialforces from the Marinejegerkommandoen (MJK) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinejeger ) and Forsvarets Spesialkommando (FSK, en. Arm
39 EY460: Very sad news, but thanks to the Scandinavian a.netters for keeping us updated. I've been looking for news on this matter but it's very hard to find s
40 ThunderboltDrgn: There is some info in English at this address; http://www.thelocal.se/39718/20120316/
41 ThunderboltDrgn: The wreckage or at least parts of ithave now been found. Search teams have found wreckage debris that are spread out over a large area on Rabots glaci
42 Mortyman: There are now warnings about high avalanche danger in the area ...
43 johnkrist: A special thanks to JRCC for the updates over the days that has passed since the crash. Still hoping for survivors, but considering how scattered the
44 SASDC8: The wreckage is described to be in many thousand parts and spread over a large area. It seems they went down hard and fast. It was found at about 1500
45 Mortyman: The wreckage was found by Norwegian soldiers on top of Swedens highest mountain. Pictures and video here: http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.
46 johnkrist: First image from the crash site and aircraft parts has been released by the Norwegian military. It's easy to see why it was hard to find the plane, yo
47 connies4ever: Wow. If I am looking at these images correctly, I am thinking the pilot flying drove the a/c right into the side of the mountain/glacier. And it shatt
48 kaitak: Here's a report on the accident from Norway's Aftenposten; among those killed was the CO of the RNoAF's 335 Squadron: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyhete
49 Mortyman: From pressbriefing in Sweden 19:00: Only bodyparts has been found and basically only small parts of the plane left. It is assumed that the aircraft ha
50 EY460: I have a lot of respect for the Armed Forces for what they are doing. Condolences for the families, friends and colleagues of those involved in the ac
51 KC135TopBoom: It may have them. Most large military aircraft now are built with them, but I think it is an option. So it all depends on if Norway ordered these C-1
52 CXfirst: Well, one of the newspapers reported that they were now looking for the data and voice recorder, so I'm assuming they have them installed, and hopefu
53 bjorn14: Yes. Although they have not been found yet. A Norwegian RAF spokesman said the plane hit 100m below the summit which could possibly suggest a sudden
54 ThunderboltDrgn: Official information is available at Norrbotten's Police district website: http://www.polisen.se/Norrbotten/sv/Aktuellt/Handelser/ with topics marked
55 TGIF: I heard somewhere that they think they have found the area where most parts of the tail structure is located. Hopefully the data recorders can be loca
56 KC135TopBoom: Have they found anything of the crew, or remains of the crew yet?
57 ThunderboltDrgn: yes they have (see reply #49). As TGIF says, the Police and the personnel from Swedish Accident Investigation Board, have found parts from the tail s
59 ThunderboltDrgn: No not much news, work at the site is suspended until midday on Monday This is due to bad weather at the area around mount Kebnekaise. The Norwegian
60 canoecarrier: I apologize in advance for not knowing the area. From the photos it seems they're basing operations out of the Kebnekaise mountain lodge? One of the
61 ThunderboltDrgn: About how remote it is see for yourself: The road ends at Nikkaluokta which is a 64km drive from Kiruna. see map. At Nikkaluokta snowmobiles and Bv 2
62 canoecarrier: Thanks for the information. I'd say that it could have been a worse location. Still on a snowmobile or sno-cat it would take some time (3-4 hours) to
63 TGIF: Thanks for the update! It's amazing how fast news can disappear from TV, Radio and News Papers once other news are more "interesting". I almost forgo
65 Mortyman: Parts of the wreckage is located in such a difficult spot, that one might have to wait until spring to atempt to get it out. This includes the tailsec
67 ThunderboltDrgn: I found this article at another forum. The article says that neither of the Seismologic sensors that are present in the area, registered any Seismolog
68 ThunderboltDrgn: A little update, the tail fin and other parts the rearer end of the aircraft have been located and brought to the hangar in Kiruna where all parts of
70 thunderboltdrgn: All victims have now been identified and their remains will be brought to Norway. Further searching for debris will continue until the upcoming weeken
71 thunderboltdrgn: Today the press was invited to the hangar in Kiruna where the recovered parts from the plane wreck is stored, A few pictures and videos: http://www.nr
72 TGIF: "10 tonnes of wreckage found" That's less than 30%... How much snow will actually melt away during the summer? Let's hope the greenhouse effect will k
73 ThunderboltDrgn: according to http://www.svenskaturistforeningen.s...tugan/Fragor-och-Svar-FAQ/#sommar6 there usually is some snow at the summits during the summer.
74 breiz: Some media have aired a potential explanation to the flying level way below the intended one as being the effect of a field of wave clouds. Such cloud
75 ThunderboltDrgn: a short Norwegian documentary (with Swedish subtitles) at Svt play: http://svtplay.se/v/2783911/dokumentarfilm/flygtragedin_pa_kebnekaise Have in mind
76 JONukl: A preliminary factual report has been issued www.havkom.se However, so far only in svedish.
77 breiz: In short, the preliminary report indicates that Kiruna Tower instructed the incoming Hercules to descend to level 7.0. The Hercules copied and execut
78 Mortyman: Swedish soldiers have found one of the two black boxes of the Norwegian Hercules that crashed on Kebnekaise Mountain in march. The box was found about
79 thunderboltdrgn: According to Swedish media, The findings are a result of the snow melting allowing the area to be photographed from a helicopter. They noticed that mo
80 Mortyman: It was the voice recorder that the Swedish soldiers found this weekend. Norwegian soldiers have now entered the search area once again to look for the
81 Mortyman: Both black boxes has now been found. The data rorder was found on Sunday: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...Hercules-flyet-funnet-6963823.html ht
82 thunderboltdrgn: And the English laboratory have been successful in extracting data from the blackboxes. http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8345341 Can som
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