747buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 705 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 9 months ago) and read 1261 times:
Airline passengers soon may be able to board a plane without being asked whether they have kept a close watch on their bags. And starting right away, they can take food and drinks through security checkpoints.
The Transportation Security Administration, created after Sept. 11 to oversee airport security, is seeking ways to make travel less onerous. Among the considerations is getting rid of the questions, says agency chief James Loy.
One of the rules changed immediately banned cups of coffee, particularly paper and Styrofoam cups, but Loy said that doesn't seem to be very passenger-friendly, and now passengers can take them through the security checkpoints. He also said that passengers carrying food or beverages will no longer be asked to taste or sip them as they go through security.
For the past 16 years, ticket agents have been required to ask passengers two security questions: "Has anyone unknown to you asked you to carry an item on this flight?" and "Have any of the items you are traveling with been out of your immediate control since the time you packed them?"
Loy said there is some evidence that the questions they ask you at the ticket counters do nothing to enhance security, reports Tim Haeck of CBS Radio affiliate KIRO-AM, and those questions could soon no longer be required.
Loy said his agency wants to use more common sense when it comes to these rules.
"If they're not contributing to security, and if in fact they're also adding to the hassle factor of the traveling public, we should be smart enough to get rid of them," Loy said in Seattle Thursday.
The Air Transport Association, which represents big airlines, would welcome the change, spokesman Michael Wascom said.
"All passengers do not pose equal security threats," Wascom said. "Why should we continue to ask these simple questions of everyone? We should be focusing on people who are higher security risks."
Until now, the policy has varied from airport to airport, Wascom said. "Today's announcement reflects a more commonsense approach that TSA is undertaking," he said.
The policy requires plastic, glass, metal and ceramic containers to be sealed and put through the X-ray screening machine. An open can of soda will not be allowed through a checkpoint, but a bottle of soda with a sealable top will.
Screeners already are forbidden to ask passengers to eat food or drink a drink as part of a security procedure. The policy was changed on June 24 after a woman said a security guard at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport forced her to drink from three bottles of her own breast milk to demonstrate the liquid posed no threat to other passengers.
Billie Vincent, a former Federal Aviation Administration security chief, said the U.S. requirement that passengers be questioned originally included five or six questions written 16 years ago after two incidents in Europe involving men who deceived their girlfriends into carrying explosives onto planes.
In 1986, a security guard for the Israeli airline El Al questioned a pregnant Irish woman at London's Heathrow Airport and discovered her Jordanian fiancee had duped her into carrying a bomb onto an Israeli jet.
"What was started as very meaningful became essentially irrelevant," Vincent said. In the United States, the questions were reduced to two and people were never trained to interrogate passengers properly, he said.
A trained interrogator would ask some simple questions while looking for reasons to ask further questions, such as shiftiness or conflicting responses, said David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association.
"El Al still asks those questions, but it's still part of a larger process where they're interrogating passengers, which is what we need to do in this country," he said.
Serge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1246 times:
Wow.. how hard is it to answer 2 questions? Asking the questions still increases the odds of finding something someone is hiding/doesn't know they're hiding. Kinda ridiculous to get rid of them if you ask me...
Oh well.. we'll never be as good as Israel's airport security, thats for sure.
Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1244 times:
Where did you get this article?
For the past 16 years, ticket agents have been required to ask passengers two security questions: "Has anyone unknown to you asked you to carry an item on this flight?" and "Have any of the items you are traveling with been out of your immediate control since the time you packed them?"
Are you sure it's been 16 years? I don't remember any of these procedures being in effect before Desert Storm.
Billie Vincent, a former Federal Aviation Administration security chief, said the U.S. requirement that passengers be questioned originally included five or six questions written 16 years ago after two incidents in Europe involving men who deceived their girlfriends into carrying explosives onto planes.
In 1986, a security guard for the Israeli airline El Al questioned a pregnant Irish woman at London's Heathrow Airport and discovered her Jordanian fiancee had duped her into carrying a bomb onto an Israeli jet.
The "Are you carrying any items given to you by an unknown person?" question would seem to not have prevented either of these incidents, since the first one involved a girlfriend and the other involved a fiance.
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
B757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1228 times:
I'll believe it when I see it. I just don't think most security people @ airports have their heads on straight.
Rydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 818 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1176 times:
Our airline asks two additional questions that seem to be much more valid and seems to make people think about their items and the potential threat to everyones safety.
Do you have any firearms, dangereous, or flameable materials?
-and- Do you have any knifes, sharp objects, or cutting instruments of any kind?
The number of people that realize they have a pocket knife in their carryon, or forget to declare their firearm....These make people think and cut problems off at the start. The original two questions must be asked, but really serve no purpose.
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Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6195 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1162 times:
Unfortunately, those who travel frequently like myself usually just answer "NO" "NO" to the question without really thinking about anything. Accidently forgot to take my pocketknife out of my bag the other day, but that was my fault.
Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
Brianhames From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 795 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
No no no, those two questions are usless, even a terrorist could answer them truthfully and still get away with it. For example, he could pack a bomb in a bag, but the bag has been in his control since he packed it, so he could answer No truthfully, and if someone unknown to him asked him to carry something on the flight, he could still answer No truthfully, so in the end those questions are just dumb dumb dumb. And who would actually answer Yes? I mean, if someone unknown to them did ask them to take something on board, were they actually stupid enough to take it? And if they did take it, would they wait all the way until they were checking in at the airport to tell someone about it? I mean come on, they're just worthless.
Sorry if some of this dosen't make sense, its just me ranting at 2:00am
Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1148 times:
The questions are stupid but should be replaced/enhanced, nor removed.
Bobcat From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1097 times:
I used to commute between JFK and LAX every other week. Sometimes I fly without no luggage and no carry-on. (basically just my ticket and the wallet/keys in my pockets) However, the check-in agents still insist on asking me if I packed my own bags and if my bags had been with me the whole time.... One agent told me she is required to ask, regardless of how rediculous it seems...
Learpilot From United States of America, joined May 2001, 814 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1088 times:
People aren't traveling and the airlines are suffering because they don't want to be the recipient of a body cavity search. Do they really think that they're going to lure passengers back by not asking a couple of questions?
Shouldn't they be trying to find ways to determine who problem passengers would be instead of frisking your grandma at the gate, and going through the crew's flight bags?
Heed our warnings or your future will be underpant free!