DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2041 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3128 times:
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4936 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3120 times:
To inform people that are interested what kind of loads they get on a typical day to North American destinations..... It is particularly funny that the two top destinations are Canadian!
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4169 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3124 times:
Where did you get this info from? From the CRS?
FLYYUL, given that three US flights are oversold I don't think you can conclude that YYZ is doing better than JFK. Still it looks as if the loadfactors are back on pre-September 11 levels.
BTW for the coming days KLM C-class seems to be 100% full (according to Amadeus) while AC still has some seats left.
Rai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3097 times:
Yeah...this doesn't make any sense. Aren't JFK, ORD and IAH are all operated by 74Ms? Besides, if there's any flight that's the most profitable, it's the IAH one with 36 business class passengers. And what about DTW and MSP? Surely they must be up there as well. DTW has three flights a day to Amsterdam. JFK has two (except on Sundays and Mondays). Oh yeah, SFO is operated by an MD-11, not a 74M like FLYYUL suggests.
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3053 times:
Canada is a good market for KLM. Getting a seat on a KLM flight to Montreal/Toronto in the summer is very hard. Vancouver is not as good though. They have downgraded the flight to a daily B767 from a daily MD11!
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4936 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2987 times:
Hey Raj,
You wanna bet this makes sense... this info is from PARS (nw's res system), and I was trying to poiunt out that for KLM ONLY, on an absolute basis, has more pax per flight on Canadianm flights with the exception of YVR.
And yeah I forgot to mention KLM flights out of DTW, because I was unaware of them re-commencing service to DTW. MSP, they still arent there, and at JFK, they have the lat evening outbound.. Im not including Northwest flights to AMS from BOS, MIA, EWR, IAD, etc.
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2041 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2954 times:
My point exactly...although the travel date has past this SPECIFIC information belongs to KLM, not the public. If it was so vitally important, the airline employee with access to NW/KL in this case should have only said on this forum that the flights were booked full. I'm sure that by posting specific information regarding KL's inventory on a particular day is a violation of company policy and a very serious matter should NW management discover. You may want to rethink posts like this in the future Mark.
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4169 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2939 times:
DL Widget Head, I don't think KLM will care much that this info is made public. Load factors are no secret to the competition and can be discovered easily by anyone with acces to a CRS. Moroever, I've been told that some aiports publish details about the number of passengers carried by airline X on route Y against a fee.
It would have been different if FLYYUL would have published the yield. Yield is difficult to calculate (probably not impossible) for a competitor's flight. However, FLYYUL I don't think it's wise to publish these figures as you seem to work for NWA (I would have been fired if I release such data about my employer).
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4936 posts, RR: 52 Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2903 times:
This thread was to show you what kind of performance KLM had to trans-atlantic routes..
Hey Raj, yeah Im some kid trying to make a point?? And what would that be... this information was for people to discuss, so dont call me a kid thank you! Oh and if you want, call KLM and report me Neil.
For those who know nothing about me, Im a Northwest CSA in Montreal, this information is for those who are wondering what kind of performance they have on these routes, in the peak season..
Now back to the discussion, Im trying to figure out why KLM flies 466 seaters to Montreal and Toronto, and flies all their combi's to destinations such as LAX, IAH, ORd etc. Does KLM feel that there is a cargo business in which it is capitalizing on , due to the fact that they might be the only carrier flying Combi's across the atlantic.
If that isnt as such, I think KLM will do much better on these routes when the A330/B777's come around, bnecause the 74M is so much more expensive to operate. If would have imagined that KLM would have redeployed its larger aircraft on destinations such as LAX and JFK, but that isnt the case.
Now for those who dont wanna continue with the discussion and instead bash the purpose of this thread, id ask you to hold your opinions, and find someone else to pick on.
Noise From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 1570 posts, RR: 5 Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
LOL! Man, you guys never fail to show us how dumb you really are. This information is accessable to everyone!!! You guys think this should be reported to KLM? GET A LIFE!
Lj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4169 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2871 times:
Now back to the discussion, Im trying to figure out why KLM flies 466 seaters to Montreal and Toronto, and flies all their combi's to destinations such as LAX, IAH, ORd etc. Does KLM feel that there is a cargo business in which it is capitalizing on , due to the fact that they might be the only carrier flying Combi's across the atlantic.
As far as I know full pax 747s have flown between YYZ and AMS for almost every summer season. One of the reasons that they need the full pax B747s maybe that the yield is low (allthough KLM seems to attract the better end of the market) and you thus need more passengers to make money
As for the other destinations LAX gets a mix of B747-400 Combi's and B747-400 full pax (today a full pax, tomorrow a combi and on the 15th a full pax). ORD was or still is one of KLMs cargo gateways in the USA. IAH, well isn't the Bell factory nearby because I read that every now and then a helicopter arrives from the US on this flight.
As KLM has only two full freighters (and they fly usually to Malaysia and Japan) KLM has no other way in carrying odd size cargo from these destinations
Whilst it may cost more to operate a B747-400 Combi than a B777 you gain extra cargo space which you can sell.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16004 posts, RR: 59 Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2805 times:
airlines generally don't release load info as public information. is this specific info is available on INT.net, then it's legal. If FLYYUL published this info that is not available to the general public (but accessible to him as a NW handler), then it's illegal.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4936 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Neil,
Your off topic!
Mark
25 Planeawesome: How can the fact that an airline is doing so exceedingly well on the N.Atlantic be a problem to anybody. I'm sure that KL is proud of their success an
26 Lj: I don't think KLM is the cargo leader as LH and AF have a lot of full freighter services to Europe. Moreover KLMs daughter Martinair also has an exten
27 A330_DTW: Interesting that DTW/AMS was not included. Why? Probably because the loads were heavier than the YYZ or YUL flights to AMS. DTW/AMS is the largest mon
28 FLYYUL: DTW/MSP loads were not included because A.) thats NW's hubs and we know from the start that they would be full b.) I had no clue KL returned to these
29 Dr.DTW: DTW-AMS: Current schedule is 3 NW and 1 KLM Flight NW 40 - Northwest Airlines Aircraft D10 Depart Detroit, Detroit Wayne County Dep. Time 03:55pm Jun
30 Travelin man: Interesting how the KLM 744 can get from DTW to AMS 20 minutes faster than the NW 744. Gee, I wonder if NW is padding the schedule to make it appear t
31 FLYYUL: Put it this way, to fly Montreal-Detroit, its a 1hr.07min flight, yet on the schedule the flight shows a 5:15p departure, and a landing in YUL at 7:03
32 A330_DTW: FLYYUL, I had mentioned DTW/AMS not DTW/MSP. And no, KLM does not fly between DTW and MSP. And as for your block times for NW vs. KL aircraft, I think
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