ILS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
bmi insists the European Commission must bring ‘illegal’ UK / US regulations to an end - British Airways must not be allowed to block liberalisation and hold consumers to ransom
bmi british midland is to ask the European Commission (EC) to immediately investigate the UK government for its continued support for anti-consumer regulation of flights between London Heathrow and the US.
The Bermuda II Treaty grants a “club” of four airlines – British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, American Airlines and United Airlines – exclusive access to Heathrow-US routes, allowing them to decide frequencies and fare prices. All other airlines are prevented from flying Heathrow-US routes.
bmi believes that these regulations are in clear breach of European Union (EU) competition law and is confident that the EC will support bmi’s attempts to introduce more competition.
The bmi action has been precipitated by the government’s decision to abandon aviation talks with the US government. These were due to start on Monday 28 January, but the Department of Transport, Local Government and the Regions pulled out without consultation on Friday 25 January, almost as soon as British Airways and American Airlines announced they were abandoning their alliance.
bmi firmly rejects the view that liberalisation between the UK and US cannot be achieved, simply because British Airways and American Airlines appear to have pulled out of their own deal.
At the moment the government is allowing British Airways to effectively veto any new agreement. British Airways must not be allowed to hold governments, other airlines and – most importantly – consumers to ransom, withholding its support until it has the perfect commercial deal for its shareholders.
British Airways left the public sector for the private sector 15 years ago, but the government seems intent on mollycoddling the airline. While the rest of British industry has to quite rightly operate in their markets without government protection from fair competition, British Airways is being treated like a state-owned airline and being allowed to dictate an aviation policy to the government.
The special rights and privileges granted British Airways – and Virgin Atlantic – under the Bermuda II Treaty are tantamount to state assistance. Failure to deregulate Heathrow–US routes is letting these two airlines generate artificially high revenue at the expense of fair competition, lower fares, consumer choice and the national and local economy around Heathrow.
Sir Michael Bishop, chairman of bmi british midland said:
“The government must not meekly give up on liberalisation just because British Airways and American Airlines have walked away from their alliance. Benefits for the consumer are too important to be overridden by the commercial interests of airlines. There is still an agreement to be reached and we call upon the UK and US governments to make rapid progress as a matter of urgency.
Liberalisation of Heathrow-US routes is overdue. The Bermuda II Treaty is anti-consumer and, we believe, against the law. It is time to put consumers first and stop protecting BA and Virgin Atlantic from the level of competition that the rest of British industry has to contend with every day of the year.”
Twa902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3048 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1059 times:
Air India flies LHR-ORD and you can buy tickets from Chicago to Heathrow and back on Air India. So wouldn't that make a club of 5?
TWA902
life wasn't worth the balance, or the crumpled paper it was written on
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1048 times:
Make that a club of 6. Kuwait airways flies LHR-JFK-LHR 3 times a week, but that is not much of a competition is it? BA is holding a lot of people at ransom.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12715 posts, RR: 80 Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1034 times:
The cheek of the EU sometimes, who really mollycoddled their state airlines until very recently. BA was pushing for a more open market within Europe from the late 1980's, when most of the EU flag carriers were getting regular and huge state cash injections.
The UK goverment have not done BA any real favours, look how VS got those LHR slots in the early 90's.
As for BMI, two words: 'Star Alliance'.
BMI could not have got where they are now in any other EU nation.
As for Bermuda 2, when will BA, and other UK airlines, get the right to fly internally within the US, as US carriers can within the EU?
2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
Europe is not one country- so comparing flying internally in Europe to flying domestically in the US is like comparing apples to oranges. It also has nothing to do with flying into LHR.
Donder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 23 Reply 6, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 991 times:
Europe is not one country- so comparing flying internally in Europe to flying domestically in the US is like comparing apples to oranges. It also has nothing to do with flying into LHR.
Flying within most of Europe is affectively flying within 1 country due to the 'open' market of the EU.
Lucifer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 969 times:
It is not treated as one country yet Donder, as at the moment, US airlines can come to the Uk and fly on to Europe, picking up passengers/cargo/whatever, whereas in the US, EU airlines are unable to do so: this is as the EU is not yet treated as one contry, so US airlines are able to gain fifth freedom rights.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5986 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 954 times:
ILS,
Did you really write that? Are those your own words? I would bet not.
Air Malta From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2365 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 930 times:
BA must block liberalisation as long as the BA/AA deal is not sorted out... I don't know why they are blocking such an alliance while LH and UA enjoy monopoly at FRA, KL/NW at AMS and AF/DL at CDG ... so let BA do its business as anyone else... I'm fed up with all these antitrust immunities which seem to applicable to every allaince but AA/BA... so no way to the Liberalisation until a good deal is found....
G-CIVP From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 1209 posts, RR: 10 Reply 14, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 904 times:
"Europe is not one country- so comparing flying internally in Europe to flying domestically in the US is like comparing apples to oranges. It also has nothing to do with flying into LHR."
The problem is the Americans like the free market but on their terms. The point GDB is trying to make is if USA carriers want more access to LHR, then theres got to be a reasonable quid pro quo re the American market.
Aussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 778 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 883 times:
Why is BMI suddenly trying to get Bemuda II sorted and going to the EU to complain? Because they want to fly longhaul from LHR and cant. Where was BMI before when this was all 'anti competitive'. They were not interested because BMI did not fly longhaul and was not part of the star alliance. Bit late now BMI, perhaps we should let them work it out, if and when they do.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4981 posts, RR: 25 Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 874 times:
UA/LH, AF/DL, and NW/KL are entirely different animals for one very important reason: Open-Skies. You see no American (or German, Dutch, or French airline for that matter) are prevented from setting up services from CDG, AMS, or FRA to the US and v.v. On the other hand, other than BA, AA, UA, and VS all British and US carriers are prevented from offering LHR-US flights. Until, LHR is opened to new and meaningful competition, AA/BA should not be approved.
2cn From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 648 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 867 times:
The problem is the Americans like the free market but on their terms. The point GDB is trying to make is if USA carriers want more access to LHR, then theres got to be a reasonable quid pro quo re the American market.
How is flying domestically in the US compareable to flying internationaly into LHR???