SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2930 posts, RR: 20 Posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6051 times:
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A very interesting and exciting development for PIA and Boeing - congratulations to all parties involved!
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) will purchase five Boeing 777 aircraft from Boeing Company of the United States and a definitive agreement to this effect was signed on Tuesday.
Islamabad—Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) will purchase five Boeing 777 aircraft from Boeing Company of the United States. A definitive agreement to this effect was signed here on Tuesday. Managing Director PIA Nadeem Khan Yousufzai and Director International Sales of Boeing Company J Miguel Santos signed the agreement.
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8787 posts, RR: 52 Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5770 times:
Great to see them replacing some of their airplanes in desperate need of replacement. 777-300ER makes an excellent 747-300 replacement.
Now once they get rid of those and the A310s, they'll have an up to date fleet again.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
phishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5720 times:
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 2): Now once they get rid of those and the A310s, they'll have an up to date fleet again.
There's a thread right up right now saying they have just bought the leased A310's from Airbus..... so they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8787 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5668 times:
Quoting phishphan70 (Reply 3):
There's a thread right up right now saying they have just bought the leased A310's from Airbus..... so they aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Yes I know. The A310s aren't that bad, but they certainly aren't like what the gulf carriers are operating. PIA's short haul fleet of A310s and 737 classics is ok, but not like the more modern airplanes operated by some of the competition.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4290 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5049 times:
Neither PIA nor AI will be able to compete with the Gulf carriers until true privatization occurs. Any acquisition of new aircraft under the current structure is just window dressing.
But those will be some very good-looking 77Ws!
Most gorgeous aircraft: Tu-204-300, 757-200, A330-200, 777-200LR, 787-8
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3105 times:
Quoting SA7700 (Thread starter): Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) will purchase five Boeing 777 aircraft from Boeing Company of the United States and a definitive agreement to this effect was signed on Tuesday
MountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3058 times:
That would be the Boeing Company, not the US government.
EVERETT, Wash., Feb. 20, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Pakistan International Airlines today announced a firm order for five 777-300ER (extended range) airplanes. Valued at nearly $1.5 billion at list prices, the order also includes purchase rights to Pakistan International Airlines for five additional 777-300ERs.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3002 times:
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 11): That would be the Boeing Company, not the US government.
PK just magically got financing out of the blue? How is this being paid for?
Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 10): How is Pakistan buying U.S. goods atonement on the part of the U.S.?
Weren't the first batch of 777s suspiciously well timed as well?
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2930 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2951 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12): PK just magically got financing out of the blue?
Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you, as I simply don't know who the financier is. But I'm asking you politely not to turn this thread into a political debate.
Thanks,
SA7700
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IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1768 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2918 times:
Quoting cipango (Reply 14): I wonder will they fly them direct to JFK instead of the stopover in MAN?
No, because this is less to do with an aircraft range issue and more to do with a security issue. PIA flies nonstop from Toronto to Pakistan, but all of their US routes, at least those NOT originating in a US gateway city, must make a stopover in an EU country first.
It was the same with ORD and IAH before they were dropped (or will be dropped, in ORD's case)
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2878 times:
Quoting cipango (Reply 16): Must be very hard on profit maximization especially since they don't have 5th freedom MAN-JFK.
Well, that and PK makes AI look like SQ.
Quoting SA7700 (Reply 13): But I'm asking you politely not to turn this thread into a political debate.
I'm not trying to turn it into a political debate; I'm just wondering what the quid pro quo was.
MountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 378 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2830 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
Weren't the first batch of 777s suspiciously well timed as well?
Forgive me but I am honestly asking because I don't understand. If the U.S. has something to atone for (I'm not debating whether it does or not), how does Pakistan buying U.S. goods do that? Wouldn't it be the other way around? Or am I missing something?
something From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 24 Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2754 times:
Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 18): Forgive me but I am honestly asking because I don't understand. If the U.S. has something to atone for (I'm not debating whether it does or not), how does Pakistan buying U.S. goods do that? Wouldn't it be the other way around? Or am I missing something?
PIA is not in very well shape, financially. Neither is Pakistan the country. But the US export-import bank could still give them a credit, with very favorable conditions at that. Maybe not even make them pay the full price back. After all, Pakistan is receiving billions of dollars in aids from the US.
Banning politics from this discussion is very much misguided - as long as the discussion isn't about the politics themselves (eg, should the US pay aid to Pakistan; should Pakistan be given such a credit etc.). But this is by no means just another fleet renewal by just another private company.
MaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 15813 posts, RR: 50 Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2710 times:
Quoting something (Reply 19): But the US export-import bank could still give them a credit, with very favorable conditions at that. Maybe not even make them pay the full price back. After all, Pakistan is receiving billions of dollars in aids from the US.
And if the search function on a.net worked I/we could probably find pretty quickly what was going on around the initial 777 order
imiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21): And if the search function on a.net worked I/we could probably find pretty quickly what was going on around the initial 777 order
Exim financing:
WASHINGTON:
According to an agreement signed by PIA and the US Exim Bank with the Boeing company last year, Pakistan International Airlines is to purchase eight Boeing-777 aircraft at an approximate cost of $1.3 billion with 85 percent of Exim Bank guarantee.
SA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 2930 posts, RR: 20 Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2483 times:
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 21): And if the search function on a.net worked I/we could probably find pretty quickly what was going on around the initial 777 order
Here is a link to an airliners.net thread, which I found via a search, which may answer some of your questions. I sincerely hope it helps:
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It's about time those ageing jumbos were replaced! I've got to wonder why it's taken them so long though?
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And if the search function on a.net worked I/we could probably find pretty quickly what was going on around the initial 777 order
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