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Airbus Commences A350 Production In Germany

aeropiggot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10298 times:

It seems Airbus has started major A350 production, does this indicate a design freeze at the current weight levels, and how does this affect the final design parameters for the airplane.

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...ences-a350-production-germany-0831

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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26676 posts, RR: 83
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10285 times:

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I expect Airbus will continue to engineer weight out of the plane in production tranches, as Boeing is doing with the 787.

Will the FAL still be in TLS?

aeropiggot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10191 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):

I understand, so they will start with a heavy airplane no. 1 out the door, and work the weight issue before the first production airplane?

A scientist discovers that which exists, an engineer creates that which never was.

BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14310 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10166 times:

Quoting aeropiggot (Thread starter):

Well, here's hoping it all goes well.

Quoting aeropiggot (Reply 2):
so they will start with a heavy airplane no. 1 out the door, and work the weight issue before the first production airplane?

Pretty much. Even all of the 787s currently being built are not a homogeneous group.

Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?

astuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9135 posts, RR: 96
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9692 times:

Quoting aeropiggot (Thread starter):
does this indicate a design freeze at the current weight levels, and how does this affect the final design parameters for the airplane.

If the "current weight levels" deliver the spec - not at all I'd suggest.

Are you assuming that the weight budget is completely blown from the start?

Rgds

Swallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9392 times:

It is said the TXWB will exceed performance guarantees so Airbus may feel comfortable proceeding at current weights and then progressively remove the fat as they are doing with the A380

The grass is greener where you water it

PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4529 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9308 times:

Looking forward to seeing the -900. And the -1000.

-Dave

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bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9272 times:

Now the only question is will the A350 beat the 787 to their first customer. BTW, does anybody know who that is?

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Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
Now the only question is will the A350 beat the 787 to their first customer.

Doubtful.

I once feared that the 787 would be in service before the A380. But it didn't happen.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
BTW, does anybody know who that is?

According to wikipedia, JJ, SQ, and QR are the only ones with deliveries scheduled in 2013.

I think I read somewhere QR would get the first.

PlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4529 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9206 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
Now the only question is will the A350 beat the 787 to their first customer.

Well, the original A350 would most certainly have.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):
BTW, does anybody know who that is?

Which one, the 787 or the A350?

-Dave

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Glareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8676 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
Which one, the 787 or the A350?

787 = NH A350 = QR

There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...

Centre From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
the original A350 would most certainly have.
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 7):

That was the mistake that Airbus should have left uncorrected. Wonder how those who bought into Boeing PR at that time "feel" at the moment.

Anyways, congratulations for Airbus and looking forward to be on board one of those birds in 2013.

I have cut 4 times, and it's still short.

BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14310 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 9):
Well, the original A350 would most certainly have.

But they are still selling A330s, so that money would more or less have been wasted.

Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?

trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3963 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
But they are still selling A330s, so that money would more or less have been wasted.

but isn't the main reason that they are selling A330s as you can't get a A350 Mk 1 (or XWB) or a 787 yet (plus then there are those who think every other A330 sold in last few years is for A380 delays)

astuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9135 posts, RR: 96
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3089 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
But they are still selling A330s, so that money would more or less have been wasted.

You can only play with the data at your disposal at the time, and back in 2004/2005, the 787 was going to be a 108 tonne OEW A330 killer going into service in 2008.

It is inconceiveable that Airbus would have been allowed to leave the 787 unanswered back in 2004/2005

Rgds

EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 3582 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 14):
It is inconceiveable that Airbus would have been allowed to leave the 787 unanswered back in 2004/2005

Indeed it is.

Good to see the real production of the A350-XWB started. Especially with this large CFRP-panel. Lets hope all will go smooth and well and they will be able to deliver in 2013. It would be nice to have an airliner program without the huge delays we have seen/are seeing on the A380, B787 and B748.

BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14310 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2209 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 14):
You can only play with the data at your disposal at the time, and back in 2004/2005, the 787 was going to be a 108 tonne OEW A330 killer going into service in 2008.

It is inconceiveable that Airbus would have been allowed to leave the 787 unanswered back in 2004/2005

True. What I'm getting at is that Airbus undoubtedly made the right call when they went back to the drawing board with the A350.

Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?

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