Flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 631 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (4 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5002 times:
From what I heard at YYC two weeks ago, KLM is impressed by the loads and there is no consideration of pulling out of YYC and the Alberta market, especially once they can start pulling passengers from the YEG market this fall.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6027 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4676 times:
Quoting Flyb (Reply 1): From what I heard at YYC two weeks ago, KLM is impressed by the loads
Quoting Flyb (Reply 1): Loads have been soft .. as per daily tracking of amadeus.net
Seems we have conflicting opinions here. YYC-AMS is part of the NW/KL joint venture and other than a very few people at NW/KL know how the loads are, and they do not release the info.
Cityofathens From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4587 times:
To what extent is calgary's oil traffic dependent on oil prices? I ask because I remember reading an article in The Economist (or similar) that stated that extracting oil from Alberta's tar sands was not cheap; on a related question, what other significant industries make use of YYC's connections to Europe? Is it mainly oil?
I ask because BA started off with a 4-class 777 and we are now down to a 3-class 767.
Flyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4934 posts, RR: 53 Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4562 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4): Seems we have conflicting opinions here. YYC-AMS is part of the NW/KL joint venture and other than a very few people at NW/KL know how the loads are, and they do not release the info.
Go to amadeus.net
Look at the status of the flight..it will show you how many people were on board.
Flyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 631 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4363 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 4): Quoting Flyb (Reply 1):
From what I heard at YYC two weeks ago, KLM is impressed by the loads
Quoting Flyb (Reply 1):
Loads have been soft .. as per daily tracking of amadeus.net
Seems we have conflicting opinions here. YYC-AMS is part of the NW/KL joint venture and other than a very few people at NW/KL know how the loads are, and they do not release the info.
Not a conflict actually, KLM is happy with the loads they are strong for a new route is what they are stating. Again I think WS and KLM will help loads this fall.
Look at the status of the flight..it will show you how many people were on board.
Maybe it is me, but I am unable to come up passengers on board through Amadeus. Are you saying that Amadeus.net can do this for all departures from any airport or just YYC.
Flyyul From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4934 posts, RR: 53 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4333 times:
* Departing Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol - Tuesday, June 16, 2009
* Arriving Calgary, Canada - Calgary International - Tuesday, June 16, 2009
* Airline KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (KL) Flight number 677(KL677)
Hour Flight Information Airport
15:20 Estimated time of departure Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
15:18 Left the gate Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
15:37 Took off Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
Px passengers on board 219) Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
16:16 Estimated time of arrival Calgary, Canada - Calgary International
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4124 posts, RR: 37 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4278 times:
don't forget KLM is always relatively clever with yield management pricing to get their planes full, but that doesn't mean they make a profit on it. Probably it needs a year or two to mature. They had some nice offers for Calgary left and right (they often showed up as cheapest option searching Europe-Calgary and v.v.) and also advertize a lot in Alberta.
Their clear website booking engine also takes care that the pax spread out based on either the lowest price or best date. So usually their planes have a decent loadfactor.
Last week I flew on an Air Canada 77W from YYZ to LHR with only about 60 people on board, that would never happen on KLM.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6027 posts, RR: 9 Reply 17, posted (4 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3928 times:
Quoting Flyyul (Reply 10): Hour Flight Information Airport
15:20 Estimated time of departure Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
15:18 Left the gate Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
15:37 Took off Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
Px passengers on board 219) Amsterdam, Netherlands - Schiphol
16:16 Estimated time of arrival Calgary, Canada - Calgary International
The KL computer shows 212 passengers. 12C and 200Y.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4124 posts, RR: 37 Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
Quoting Flyyul (Reply 12): Oh really? So when KLM left with 77 pax last week - their revenue management team let them down?
As you mentioned yourself, new routes have to get started, also because of lacking the return sectors of the passengers either way. I meant, in general a high load factor doesn't have to say KLM is making a profit on it as they usually seem to fill up their planes, not always and not on each and every route though obviously. Of course YYC isn't doing great yet.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Pnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2054 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3346 times:
KLM last year had a 747 and a 777 for their two flights from YYZ. This year it is a 747 and an A330. We know loads are down across the board for many airlines, so this year is not a good judge of normal loads. So it will be interesting tto see as the economy rebounds how the YYC market responds.
25 DALCA: Anybody have any idea of the LH loads? Could be that KL and LH are competing for the same pax load.
26 CityofAthens: I would imagine so, as both offer many connections via Europe to points east and south.
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