FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 5586 posts, RR: 53 Posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8919 times:
Here is a first preview of Air France long haul summer 2009 schedule :
From ORY :
RUN = 9 x Weekly - B77W
PTP = 1 x Daily B77W + 6 x Weekly - B77W
FDF = 1 x Daily B77W + 6 x Weekly - B77W
CAY = 1 x Daily B77W
From LHR :
LAX = 1 x Daily - B772ER
From LAX :
PPT = 4 x Weekly - A343
From CDG :
To North/Central America :
EWR = 1 x Daily - A332
JFK = 6 x Daily - 2 x B772ER + 2 x B77W + 1 x B744 + 1 x A332
BOS = 2 x Daily - B744 + A332
IAD = 3 x Daily - 2 x B772ER + 1 x A332
PHL = 1 x Daily - A332
ATL = 1 x Daily - A343
MIA = 1 x Daily - B744
ORD = 1 x Daily - A343
DTW = 1 x Daily A332
SEA = 1 x Daily - A332
SFO = 1 x Daily - B744
IAH = 2 x Daily - 1 x B772ER + 1 x A332
LAX = 2 x Daily - (B772ER) + 5 x Weekly (B77W) + 1 x Weekly (A343)
YYZ = 1 x Daily - B744
YUL = 3 x Daily - 2 x B744 + 1 x B772ER
MEX = 2 x Daily - B744 + B772ER
To South America/Caribbean :
HAV = 1 x Daily - B744
PUJ = 3 x Weekly - B744
SDQ = 3 x Weekly - B744 via PUJ
SXM = 6 x Weekly - A343
CCS = 1 x Daily - B744
BOG = 1 x Daily - A343
GIG = 2 x Daily - B744 + A332
GRU = 2 x Daily - B77W + A332
EZE = 1 x Daily - B77W
SCL = 1 x Daily - B772ER
To Asia :
ICN = 1 x Daily - B77W
NRT = 3 x Daily - B772ER + A343 + B77W
KIX = 1 x Daily - B77W
SIN = 1 x Daily - B77W
HKG = 2 x Daily - B77W + B772ER
PEK = 2 x Daily - B77W
PVG = 2 x Daily - B77W + B772ER
CAN = 3 x Weekly - A343
DEL = 1 x Daily - A343
BOM = 1 x Daily - B772ER
BLR = 1 x Daily - A332
MAA = 3 x Weekly - A343
BKK = 1 x Daily - A343
SGN = 4 x Weekly - A343 via BKK
HAN = 3 x Weekly - A343 via BKK
EVN = 3 x Weekly - A320
To the Middle East & Africa
BEY = 1 x Daily - B77W
AMM = 1 x Daily - A320
DAM = 5 x Weekly - A320
CAI = 10 x Weekly - A332
DXB = 1 x Daily B772ER + 6 x Weekly A332
RUH = 1 x Daily A319ER Dedicate
JED = 5 x Weekly A319ER Dedicate
DKR = 1 x Daily - B772ER
ABJ = 1 x Daily - B772ER
LOS = 1 x Daily - A332
PHC = 4 x Weekly - A319ER Dedicate (Subject to modifications, according to Airport Conditions)
BKO = 1 x Daily - A332
NDJ = 1 x Daily - A319ER Dedicate
CKY = 4 x Weekly - A332
LFW = 3 x Weekly - A343
COO = 4 x Weekly - A343
NIM = 3 x Weekly - A343
OUA = 3 x Weekly - A332 + 3 x Weekly A343 via NIM
BGF = 1 x Weekly - A332
NKC = 5 x Weekly - A319ER Dedicate
SSG = 6 x Weekly - A319ER Dedicate
PNR = 2 x Weekly - A332
DLA = 1 x Daily - A343
NSI = 3 x Weekly - A343 via DLA
JIB = 1 x Weekly - A332
LBV = 4 x Weekly - B772ER
BZV = 3 x Weekly - A332
FIH = 4 x Weekly - A332
LAD = 1 x Weekly - B77W
JNB = 2 x Daily - B77W
MRU = 1 x Daily A343 + 4 x Weekly B744
TNR = 4 x Weekly - A343
- Above are listed only flights operated by AF itself
- Flights are NONSTOP if no special mention
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 5659 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8809 times:
Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter): GIG = 2 x Daily - B744 + A332
GRU = 2 x Daily - B77W + A332
EZE = 1 x Daily - B77W
SCL = 1 x Daily - B772ER
Thanks FlySSC, and seems that AF continues with strong focus on South America as the 4 markets above will receive some upgrade compared to this summer. Good to see the 77W back to GRU, the Daylight consolidated at GIG, EZE will continue with the 77W and SCL become daily.
AF is the sole player between the 3 biggest European (AF, LH and BA) that flies non-stop to the 4 markets. In fact none of the other two fly to more than 2.
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 5586 posts, RR: 53 Reply 2, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8597 times:
Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 1): EZE will continue with the 77W and SCL become daily.
AF switched from B772ER to B77W on the CDG-EZE route already during this current summer 2008. The loads are more than excellent in all the 3 classes and the yield is getting higher.
Runway23 From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 1592 posts, RR: 34 Reply 3, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8597 times:
According to the above schedule posted there isn't any mention of the A380. I suppose for the first few flights it will go to YUL then make its way to other destinations (eg. NRT, SIN, JFK)?
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 5586 posts, RR: 53 Reply 4, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8566 times:
The A380 for AF suffered another delay and is now due to be delivered in November 2009.
It will be used to JFK and YUL until the third aircraft is delivered, and then NRT & JFK.
Later on, PEK, HKG, LAX, SIN are planned by AF for the A380
That's pretty impressive. From a year round tag on to EZE, this route now becomes daily nonstop year round for the first time, all the while EZE got upgraded to B77W.
It continues to baffle me why AF doesn't add some capacity here. The daily B77W is just not enough. I hear stories about the bilateral, but with SQ running 10 weekly frequencies, I cannot imagine that AF could not do at least the same. Meanwhile, LH will be running a daily B744 + A346 apart from the SQ codeshare. At least KLM will be introducing larger equipment on the route, when it upgrades three of its weekly flights from B772ER to B77W from the end of June.
Fantastic to see AF super high-yield B77W back to GRU, there is market demand, and as I said AF B77W is far more suitable to GRU than KL B77W. GRU needs more C and F and not more Y seats!
AF/KL now decided what I was long expecting: revert GRU to a combination of AF B77W and KL B772. This was certainly a wise move.
FlySSC From Lebanon, joined Aug 2003, 5586 posts, RR: 53 Reply 8, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8363 times:
Quoting LH4116 (Reply 6): do you have any information about CDG-CMN?
CMN is not considered a long haul destination.
Just like Tunisia/Algeria/TLV, Morocco depends on the Europe-North Africa department.
Next summer 2009, AF will operate 4 x Daily flights on CDG-CMN-CDG (A319/20/21).
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5): It continues to baffle me why AF doesn't add some capacity here. The daily B77W is just not enough. I hear stories about the bilateral, but with SQ running 10 weekly frequencies, I cannot imagine that AF could not do at least the same. Meanwhile, LH will be running a daily B744 + A346 apart from the SQ codeshare. At least KLM will be introducing larger equipment on the route, when it upgrades three of its weekly flights from B772ER to B77W from the end of June.
As you mentioned, the additional capacity required to SIN is for the moment added by KLM from AMS.
But I am sure that sooner or later, AF will have to add a second from CDG or use the A380, as it is rumored, on that route.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 5682 posts, RR: 44 Reply 9, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8329 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5): he daily B77W is just not enough. I hear stories about the bilateral, but with SQ running 10 weekly frequencies, I cannot imagine that AF could not do at least the same. Meanwhile, LH will be running a daily B744 + A346 apart from the SQ codeshare. At least KLM will be introducing larger equipment on the route, when it upgrades three of its weekly flights from B772ER to B77W from the end of June.
Quoting FlySSC (Reply 8): As you mentioned, the additional capacity required to SIN is for the moment added by KLM from AMS.
In my opinion KL B77W is not right an increase in capacity but a "dumping of Y seats". I really think that SIN yields (which we know are high) deserve something better than KL B77W. AF would do a far better work in SIN than KL at this point.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 5682 posts, RR: 44 Reply 10, posted (2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8227 times:
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 5): That's pretty impressive. From a year round tag on to EZE, this route now becomes daily nonstop year round for the first time, all the while EZE got upgraded to B77W.
I think GIG has grown as strong as EZE over the past year (remember: from daily to double daily). In terms of premium seats EZE has indeed shown an impressive increase in capacity (the B77W entails a doubling of capacity in F), but in total seats supply I think GIG has increased more.
UPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 902 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (2 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8045 times:
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7): Fantastic to see AF super high-yield B77W back to GRU
I assume than when you say "super high yield" your reference must be KL since other european competitors in GRU fly a higher yield configuration into GRU (i.e. LH & BA's 747's).
Not quite familiar but AF but have always caught my attention the fact that CDG-MIA and CDG-YYZ can be such low yield routes for AF to use a single B744.
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 5682 posts, RR: 44 Reply 12, posted (2 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 7740 times:
Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 11): I assume than when you say "super high yield" your reference must be KL since other european competitors in GRU fly a higher yield configuration into GRU (i.e. LH & BA's 747's).
I am referring to AF and KL fleet. AF B77W is the highest yielding of the entire AF/KL fleet, especially if you compare to what I call the "mega-buses" of the fleet: AF B747 and KL B77W.
But you are right, BA and LH B747s are higher yielding than AF B77W, correct.
BEY = 1 x Daily - B77W
AMM = 1 x Daily - A320
DAM = 5 x Weekly - A320
CAI = 10 x Weekly - A332
DXB = 1 x Daily B772ER + 6 x Weekly A332
RUH = 1 x Daily A319ER Dedicate
JED = 5 x Weekly A319ER Dedicate
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