Werdywerd From United States, joined Aug 2005, 319 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 months 19 hours ago) and read 7510 times:
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Quote: Tucson company outfits Palin's campaign plane
By Jack Gillum
ARIZONA DAILY STAR
Tucson, Arizona | Published: 09.04.2008
Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain has long had ties to Arizona.
Now his running mate does, too — to Tucson.
Tucson-based Global Aircraft Solutions Inc. was set on Thursday to deliver Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's new campaign plane, an Embraer 190 regional jet complete with the duo's campaign logo on the fuselage.
They sure added first Class Seats and dividers fairly quickly! Also surprised to see any reference to Jetblue removed completely! Wonder if they payed extra for that or if Jetblue did it on purpose? Unless it's normal for campaign charters to do that so that companies like Jetblue don't look like they are endorsing a candidate? I bet McCain gave her the idea since he stated he loved the TV's on board.
B6JFKH81 From United States, joined Mar 2006, 868 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (3 months 19 hours ago) and read 7354 times:
I am a bit surprised to see that they kept the c/s quite B6ish, but since they would have to pay for the paint job and change back I guess it's understandable.
Quoting Werdywerd (Thread starter): They sure added first Class Seats and dividers fairly quickly! Also surprised to see any reference to Jetblue removed completely! Wonder if they payed extra for that or if Jetblue did it on purpose? Unless it's normal for campaign charters to do that so that companies like Jetblue don't look like they are endorsing a candidate? I bet McCain gave her the idea since he stated he loved the TV's on board.
I think that aircraft marking requirements are in the FAR's, I would have to look it up. Since this is a large aircraft, it would fall under part 121 Supplemental Service so I do not think you need to put the operator info on the aircraft. I may be wrong though.
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EMBQA From United States, joined Oct 2003, 7517 posts, RR: 10 Reply 6, posted (3 months 19 hours ago) and read 7346 times:
Quoting Werdywerd (Thread starter): They sure added first Class Seats and dividers fairly quickly! Also surprised to see any reference to Jetblue removed completely! Wonder if they payed extra for that or if Jetblue did it on purpose?
239 was at Embraer Nashville for a scheduled service check last week and left Sunday night. All the logo's were painted out before it left. I'd also be really shocked if they put first class seats in as it didn't leave with them, and it takes a major rework of the forward area structure, along with changes to the overhead bins, PCU's and forward left galley
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UAL777Mech From United States, joined Apr 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 months 18 hours ago) and read 7291 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): I think that aircraft marking requirements are in the FAR's, I would have to look it up. Since this is a large aircraft, it would fall under part 121 Supplemental Service so I do not think you need to put the operator info on the aircraft. I may be wrong though.
They can fly under Part 91 as "Public Service" if it is in their Ops Spec - we do it all the time.
B6JFKH81 From United States, joined Mar 2006, 868 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (3 months 18 hours ago) and read 7275 times:
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 7): 239 was at Embraer Nashville for a scheduled service check last week and left Sunday night. All the logo's were painted out before it left. I'd also be really shocked if they put first class seats in as it didn't leave with them, and it takes a major rework of the forward area structure to do so.
I don't know about the first class seats, but I did see a revision notice for N239JB for the "Movable Class Divider". I would think the seats would go in the same revision notice.
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B6JFKH81 From United States, joined Mar 2006, 868 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (3 months 18 hours ago) and read 7213 times:
Quoting UAL777Mech (Reply 8): They can fly under Part 91 as "Public Service" if it is in their Ops Spec - we do it all the time.
Thanks, I didn't think about that. Can an airline do that if it is technically an extended charter operation though? (Thanks in advance for your input!)
Quoting EMBQA (Reply 10): It's just the standard hanging curtain like on Air Canada and Shuttle America... nothing fancy..
Yeah, I saw the drawings from the IPC and was thinking it was the same thing that they had. I got to see the AC one when I was down with you in BNA last time.
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AirframeAS From United States, joined Feb 2004, 7263 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (3 months 17 hours ago) and read 6966 times:
Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 6): Since this is a large aircraft, it would fall under part 121 Supplemental Service so I do not think you need to put the operator info on the aircraft. I may be wrong though.
It would be flying under Part 91. A lot of airlines have the 91, 121 and 135 ops in their certificate for this very reason.
FlyDreamliner From United States, joined Jan 2006, 2378 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (3 months 16 hours ago) and read 6892 times:
She has her own jet? Is that usual, for VP candidates to charter jets to fly themselves around? Does Biden have a charter jet, or does he just use Obama Force 1?
Couldn't Palin get an US built jet like a 717?
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I know it's Chester, but do you think the majority of people in the midwest or on the east coast know that? If the word "Alaska" were covered up, it would be a guy with big hair and a beard to most people.
TZTriStar500 From United States, joined Jan 2004, 769 posts, RR: 5 Reply 15, posted (3 months 14 hours ago) and read 6592 times:
Quoting UAL777Mech (Reply 8): They can fly under Part 91 as "Public Service" if it is in their Ops Spec - we do it all the time.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13): It would be flying under Part 91. A lot of airlines have the 91, 121 and 135 ops in their certificate for this very reason.
Yes, one can operate it under Part 91, but its restricted to operating not for profit or compensation. For profit charters must be under 121 or 135. Since B6 is a 121 operator, this charter is almost certainly under 121 as they are a business and is very likely not doing this for charity (without compensation). Therefore, it must say someplace on the aircraft that can be viewed from the ground "Operated by Jetblue Airways" that meets 14CFR Part 119.9.
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Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 5131 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (3 months 11 hours ago) and read 6394 times:
Quoting Werdywerd (Thread starter): Also surprised to see any reference to Jetblue removed completely!
Well I don't know if most of Jetblue customers are McCain Palin supporters, I think the customers of Jetblue (young, urban, college educated, east coast, middle class) are mostly Obama supporters.
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Tjwgrr From United States, joined Mar 2000, 1686 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (3 months 6 hours ago) and read 6067 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 17): Well I don't know if most of Jetblue customers are McCain Palin supporters, I think the customers of Jetblue (young, urban, college educated, east coast, middle class) are mostly Obama supporters.
What you imply is ridiculous.
You probably think Palin should be using SWA- the airline of the uneducated, rural, red state customer- mostly McCain / Palin supporters.......
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Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 5131 posts, RR: 3 Reply 20, posted (3 months 6 hours ago) and read 5822 times:
Quoting Tjwgrr (Reply 19): You probably think Palin should be using SWA- the airline of the uneducated, rural, red state customer- mostly McCain / Palin supporters....... Â Â
No, I don't say that.
But Jetblue in particular has a certain image other than most airlines. They have an image of being different then the others "a young and trendy company" if you want to say it that way not an image you have when you think of McCain and Palin.
I think that they are making a mistake when being associated with Mc Cain and Palin.
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