Ruscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1408 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12549 times:
Air NZ Press Release
3 August 2007
Air New Zealand Purchases Boeing 777-300ERs
Air New Zealand announced today that it will purchase four Boeing 777-300
Extended Range (ER) aircraft, as it continues to implement its wide-body fleet
renewal programme.
Chief Executive Officer Rob Fyfe says the aircraft will be delivered in parallel with the
airline’s Boeing 787-9 between late 2010 and 2011. The airline has also secured
purchase options for a further three B777-300ER aircraft.
The purchase of the four Boeing 777-300ERs, which was achieved based on prices
agreed in 2004, represents a substantial discount to today’s list price of USD$1.1
billion.
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 3, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12498 times:
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Quoting FLYGUY767 (Reply 2): I am more than willing to assume that these aircraft will be dedicated solely to the London flights, and in down time service to Sydney or Melbourne..
You are dead right. These aircraft are to be used primarily for service to LHR via HKG and LAX.
Brons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2969 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12497 times:
Will these craft be replacing the 744?
What about US west coast service on 773ER?
Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
SFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 323 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12395 times:
Quote: The airline will move to a full 777 and 787 twin engine fleet for long haul flights around 2012, phasing out the Boeing 747 and 767s as the new aircraft are introduced.
Hamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2657 posts, RR: 59 Reply 6, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12351 times:
Quoting Ruscoe (Thread starter): Air New Zealand announced today that it will purchase four Boeing 777-300
Extended Range (ER) aircraft, as it continues to implement its wide-body fleet
renewal programme.
The question for me is: Are these part of the 13 Unidentified 777's Boeing booked this week? The timing would suggest that it is. . .
DL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12351 times:
thats too bad i was really hoping they were going to order the 748, it seems more and more likely that airlines are moving to twins instead of quads, except for the larger airlines like BA and LH that need the capacity, but still i was sure NZ would order the 748
NZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 5672 posts, RR: 40 Reply 8, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12243 times:
Interesting only 4 have been purchased with 3 more options. Does this mean Fyfe has changed his initial plan on 1 new route every year? It seems as though they would definitely have a shortage if they tried doing this. Will NZ be ordering any more 787s in the near future so it can start expanding a bit more when the 767s and 747s get phased out?
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 9, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12147 times:
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 10, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12059 times:
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Quoting Brons2 (Reply 4): Will these craft be replacing the 744?
What about US west coast service on 773ER?
Yes, they will replace the 744 fleet, and therefore will be replacing the 744 to LAX and LHR, also the flight through HKG to LHR.
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 8): nteresting only 4 have been purchased with 3 more options. Does this mean Fyfe has changed his initial plan on 1 new route every year? It seems as though they would definitely have a shortage if they tried doing this. Will NZ be ordering any more 787s in the near future so it can start expanding a bit more when the 767s and 747s get phased out?
As I just posted in the NZ Aviation thread, don't read too much into the 3 options, as we are going to be taking all 7 aircraft. More 787s are on the horizon also, though I can't give you a definite order/option date yet.
United Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 8792 posts, RR: 17 Reply 11, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12050 times:
Is this an LOI or a confirmed order? Have they made the order yet?
Well still they might order the B 747-8 in the future. You never know. As they said they might order a mixture of B 777-300ER and B 747-8 and not either one.
My 2 cents.
The B 747-400s will be around and will still be on the AKL-HKG-LHR, AKL-LAX-LHR run for a while
Charles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1307 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11966 times:
It makes perfect sense from a fleet commonality standpoint given that they already fly the 772. It's always nice to see their 744s here at LAX, and it's always interesting to see at T2 in the evenings all three long-haul types (763, 744, and 772). But they are running the airline, we aren't, so I'm sure they know better. For those that are lamenting that this means one less 748 customer, well, I'm sure that frame will find more buyers as the program advances (just like the A380 did with time).
Pilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1774 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11907 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 10): As I just posted in the NZ Aviation thread, don't read too much into the 3 options, as we are going to be taking all 7 aircraft. More 787s are on the horizon also, though I can't give you a definite order/option date yet.
Will Air NZ go for the 787-8 or 787-3 to have in their fleet as well, i know they changed a/c to the 9 but all 3 models could fit into Air NZ's fleet?
Good news for NZ just gets better and better for them!
N328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6222 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11882 times:
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 13): It makes perfect sense from a fleet commonality standpoint given that they already fly the 772.
To be sure, their 777-200ERs use Rolls-Royce powerplants, while these new ships use General Electric.
When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty.' T.Roosevelt
NZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2188 posts, RR: 27 Reply 16, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11508 times:
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Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 14): Will Air NZ go for the 787-8 or 787-3 to have in their fleet as well, i know they changed a/c to the 9 but all 3 models could fit into Air NZ's fleet?
There is some talk about the 787-3, but nothing concrete as far as I know.
Stuarts8 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2000, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11367 times:
Hello. Its a Long time since I posted here. But my concern is with two engine planes flying over long distances.
I definitely feel safer flying on a 4 Engine than 2. I realise with ETOPS that its OK. But you do need somewhere close to land if one Engine goes down.
and on the AKL-LAX route. there are not too many handy mid trip landing spots.
Cheers
Stuarts8
Pilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1774 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11114 times:
Quoting NZ1 (Reply 16): There is some talk about the 787-3, but nothing concrete as far as I know.
Thanks NZ1, guess we will have to wait and see for that one. But i would think that would be good for trans tasman routes especially if QF is operating the 787 accross the ditch with the fuel and product benifits.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 21029 posts, RR: 60 Reply 19, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11114 times:
With NZ's new product of J, Y+ and Y, they fit a lot of seats on a plane. The 772 holds 313, one can assume the 77W will carry about 380 pax, not "50 more" since that is based on 365 seat 3-class, while the 772 holds 301 three class. Expect 42J, 36Y+ and 302Y, similar to the 386 seat 744. Basically a direct 744 replacement.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10110 times:
Quoting Stuarts8 (Reply 17): Hello. Its a Long time since I posted here. But my concern is with two engine planes flying over long distances.
I definitely feel safer flying on a 4 Engine than 2. I realise with ETOPS that its OK. But you do need somewhere close to land if one Engine goes down.
and on the AKL-LAX route. there are not too many handy mid trip landing spots.
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 6937 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9865 times:
Quoting Stuarts8 (Reply 17): Hello. Its a Long time since I posted here. But my concern is with two engine planes flying over long distances.
I definitely feel safer flying on a 4 Engine than 2. I realise with ETOPS that its OK. But you do need somewhere close to land if one Engine goes down.
and on the AKL-LAX route. there are not too many handy mid trip landing spots.
Cheers
ETOPS isn't too much of an issue as long as NZ do not choose to operate direct to Sout America or to Africa.
MCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8553 posts, RR: 14 Reply 22, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9362 times:
Good to see NZ introducing another variant of the 777. I know for sure NZ will be happy with the 300ER. I expect more purchases in the future if this is indeed a 744 replacement.
Quoting N328KF (Reply 15): To be sure, their 777-200ERs use Rolls-Royce powerplants, while these new ships use General Electric.
The 767's use GE and some of their 744 use GE. So no big issue.
Manu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 402 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9093 times:
Quoting Stuarts8 (Reply 17): I definitely feel safer flying on a 4 Engine than 2. I realise with ETOPS that its OK. But you do need somewhere close to land if one Engine goes down.
and on the AKL-LAX route. there are not too many handy mid trip landing spots.
I thought the same thing last time I was on the 777 from LAX to AKL. Kind of scary thinking just 15 years ago this would have been impossible. But aviation keeps on improving reliability and performance of aircraft technologies. Consider 50 years ago that route was impossible direct, and with 4 engines was amazing. I just hope the ETOPS rules don't slack and no one has an issue with engines over the ETOPS / ocean. We're only human and mistakes unfortunately are in our nature. On the other hand I booked the 777 flight because it was a 777, and did find it much more comfortable versus the 747-400 on the return route.
Boeing767-300 From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 659 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8993 times:
Quoting Stuarts8 (Reply 17): I definitely feel safer flying on a 4 Engine than 2
This statement is a little ignorant don't you think bearing in mind the huge numbers of 777s and 787s and to a lessor extent A330s (mid range). You simply do not need 4 engines for long haul. The two engine philosophy of the 777 launched in 1990 ultimately killed the A340 Quad and forced Airbus into a rapid about turn on the "4 engines 4 long haul" They realised a little late that it was "2 engines 2 make money" With regard to your statement statiscally you are in far more danger travelling to the Airport than on an ETOPs twin. You honestly have more chance of winning the lottery than picking a double engine failure (Gimli glider and Air Transat excepted and no one was killed in those)
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 22): Quoting N328KF (Reply 15):
To be sure, their 777-200ERs use Rolls-Royce powerplants, while these new ships use General Electric.
The 767's use GE and some of their 744 use GE. So no big issue.
I could never understand why NZ bought Trents for their 772s when they were always likely to obtain 77W and therefore the mighty GE 90 115B.
The ANZ 777-300ERs are going to look impressive especially at MEL & SYD in amongst QF aircraft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26 BoeingFever777: Your joking right? AWESOME! NZ 77W's! Congrats to NZ and Boeing! I got this from the article. Selecting Boeing 777 and 787-900 jetliners means the ca
27 DavidkunzVIE: All these 747 customers going for the 77W instead of the 748? A sign of the times?
28 MCOflyer: I believe the Trent is the most fuel efficient engine for the 772ER. Thats why DL and AA chose them for the 772ER fleet. Hunter
29 SunriseValley: There are many more aspects to ETOPS besides engines. Fire in flight and an ability to fight it, is but one. How widespread the adoption of the new F
30 Ikramerica: All these 747 customers going for the 77W instead of the 748 or the A380? A sign of trouble for Airbus...
31 JFK69: Are they going to get rid of the A320's and buy more 737's in order to have full fleet commonality?
32 JoFMO: Following the Air NZ thread more likely to be the opposite way around. The A320's will get an internal upgrade with PTV in all seats to make them mor
33 EA772LR: Boeing has flown the 77W over 6 hours on one engine. "The 777-300ER has been test flown with only one working engine for as long as six hours and 29
34 SunriseValley: In addition I believe that NZ contract all their engine overhaul out to others. The Trents are on a power by the hour deal I believe so it seems poss
35 QantasHeavy: Excellent news! Of course, every time a good new order posts one wishes they'd get delivered tomorrow! Look fwd to seeing /riding on them. NZ has done
36 EA772LR: Actually, the trents are more efficient for shorter missions, while the GE's are much more efficient on the longer haul missions. The reason is becau
37 AF022: I'm a bit of a novice, but is there any benefit of the 748 over the 773? Range, payload and economics all seem better with the 773. Why would anyone
38 SunriseValley: Probably if they needed the 80 to 100 additional seats.
39 EA772LR: Capacity for one. The payload over range look to be quite good for the 748. I think part of what is plaguing the 748 is it has four engines, and in a
40 BoeingFever777: Why are you quoting and answering your own questions?
41 AirNZ: What absolute, and unadulterated, nonsense comparing the need/decision for a 777 to an A380. Despite the thread being devoted to NZ ordering the 773E
42 DL767captain: BEACAUSE I LIKE THEM!!! haha im just kidding, i actually dont know the benefits i will look them up 777-300ER 747-400ER 747-8i Seating Capacity: 365
43 Thebry: I flew an Air New Zealand 777 (ship OKD) from SFO to AKL and on to SYD in their excellent new-ish First / Business class cabin and loved the service.
44 Bmacleod: Another STAR member going for 77Ws. NZ now joins AC NH SQ and OZ as operators of 77Ws. LH won't be joining since they prefer the 340-600s and just ord
45 EA772LR: It wasn't my question. A computer glitch. See... I responded to AF022
46 Ikramerica: Attack someone else. If you bother to follow the A380 threads, and the business case for the A380, the success of that program depends on 744 operato
47 USAF336TFS: And what I find most interesting, they ordered this particular aircraft, even though it's a predominately RR carrier. Great news for NZ, Boeing and (S
48 BoeingFever777: Since when did OZ fly the 777-300ER? All (8) of their 777's are 200ER series and use PW engines.
49 AndesSMF: I found a very interesting qoute in the article: "Since entering into service in 2004, the overall fuel efficiency of the 777-300ER has been improved
50 FLYGUY767: That is incorrect.. Please see below.. Not all 747 customers are going for the 77W, as can be seen with: VS, BA, UA, NW, QF, CA, GA, MH, SV, SA, AT,
51 Ncfc99: No its not ignorant, it is a statement of how he felt and also represents my feelings on the matter. I have flown the B773 and A346 on long over wate
52 Flyjetstar: An article from the NZ Herald this morning. Interesting the comment: The arrival of the new planes would allow Air New Zealand to undertake another up
53 Ikramerica: I didn't say that all were. I said that "all these" were, referring to the ones that were. It's just conversational english, not absolutes. Further,
54 DL767captain: for those of you thinking airbus is in trouble are right and wrong you are right because airbus is losing orders to the hot selling 777, but are also
55 KrisYYZ: Congrats Boeing and NZ. Does this order for B77Ws rule out the possibility of NZ ordering the B748? I noticed in Boeings press release that NZ's B77Ws
56 Planemanofnz: With the arrival of the 77W's, I think NZ will carry out yet another product make over. Maybe we will see the introduction of 4 first class seats on N
57 ZK-NBT: Good news! So it will be 77W's to LHR and and 787's everywhere else long haul, makes sense! Sad to see the 744's will go but they were always going to
58 Ruscoe: I believe they are exactly the same engine. Ruscoe
59 TG992: NZ has already SAID that they'll be introducing a new, world leading product in 2010. I doubt NZ gives a flying f..ish about SKytraxx. While temporar
60 Boeing7E7: Hot day: 11,200 (777-3), 11,200 (747-4), 10,800 (747-8) 747-8 airfield performance estimates are pretty stunning. It's 10,000 on a standard day at se
61 10113851: This is good news. The proposed new aircraft will be more suited to Air New Zealand's current / and future network.
62 MCOflyer: They never operated it. Airfleets.net proves it. MCOflyer
63 Kaitak744: Air New Zealand's 8 747-400s currently fly AKL-HKG-LHR, AKL-SFO, AKL-LAX, AKL-LAX-LHR. So, NZ 777-300ERs will be seen at HKG, LHR, AKL, SFO, and LAX.
64 ZK-NBT: They don't fly AKL-SFO now and they don't have enough aircraft to send them there year round. I've no doubt that the 77W's will be seen at SFO some t
65 NZ107: 4 purchased at this stage, 3 options. They will be taken up later. 6 are required for all current AKL-LHR flights.
66 Nzrich: The success of the A380 and to a lesser extent the 748i is not based on 744 operators upgrading to those aircraft even thou that will help .. Its bas
67 Aerohottie: From what i've read so far the only direct feedback from NZ seems to state that the product ungrades will focus on the Y product... Are NZ likely to
68 TG992: Fyfe has stated that NZ intends to 'change the game' with the 787 interiors, so I'd imagine the 773s may come with new interiors as well, depending on
69 Nzrich: Yes i to can see a total revamp .. I can see maybe the most radical changes in Y but i bet there will be a refresh in all the cabins..
70 NZ107: I still don't think refreshing the 763 and 744 cabins a year before phasing them out is the way to go. Starting fresh (again haha) with the 789 and 7
71 Nzrich: Well the 744 was a few years ago now so that will be at least 5 years of thrashing by passengers before the next upgrade .. It also makes financial s
72 Zkojh: the 5x 763's and 12 A320's are HAVING AN UPGRADE this is being done next year.
73 NZ1: Make that 13 A320's as one of the leased ones is coming back soon. NZ1
74 Dutchjet: If you "dont know much about his stuff", please tell us why you are posting on the topic? Hysterical. Come on, this is a valid comment: the fact that
75 777ER: I've flowen on an NZ B763 from HNL-AKL and I felt 100% safe, even thou NZs B763 fleet is aging. It all depends really on how well the fleet is mainta
76 SunriseValley: I understand that essentially the same GE engine is on both the 767-300ER and 5 of the 747-400's and that an engine will be removed from the 767 at t
77 NZ107: I don't see why you would have differing cabins - 9 abreast currently in the 772ERs and then 10 in the 77Ws. Especially if they are trying to get the
78 Kiwiandrew: dont forget that NZ often spreads their risk by mixing leased and owned examples ( 8 744 , 4 leased , 4 owned , the same with the 772ER fleet )so the
79 Stuarts8: Oh well I guess it does depend on maintenance. Although as I said before I personally would prefer to be on a 4 Engined Aircraft on a long flight. St
80 Antskip: "Replacement" of any existing B774's by a B773ER is more less like-for-like substitution by with a newer generation aircraft, of similar size; but "r
81 SunriseValley: I would not be surprised to see these as 787-10's with a delivery about the time the leased 772's are returned in 2012-2013. The article in the Augus
82 Dutchjet: KLM is doing just that........its 773ERs will get 10 abreast in coach while its 772ERs are fitted with 9 abreast in coach. The 773ER is not the same
83 Viscount724: Do you have a source for that? I have seen rumours but nothing official.
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