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ANA Reveals First 787 Services  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11953 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11346 times:

Japan's ANA has revealed that the first 787 scheduled services will be from Narita to Beijing, following shortly after by a Narita-Shanghai service.

The aircraft will seat around 200 pax in a two class layout.

(Domestic services will not begin until the following year, when NH receives the first 787-3).

http://www.abtn.co.uk/Japanese_airline_gears_up_for_the_Boeing_787

Doesn't NH codeshre with a Chinese carrier on this route (CA?); it just occurs to me that someone flying to Japan in, oh, say, May 2008, could fly CA (or LH, on a CA codeshare) to PEK, then connect onto the NH 787 service?

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11292 times:

On time for the Olympics???!!!


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User currently offlineFuturecaptain From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

Ok, who will be the first to book this flight is the real question. I can see a bunch of internet aviation junkies constantly refreshing their internet web page until the 787 shows up as the scheduled equipment for this flight.

User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 811 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10945 times:

I would have thought that NRT-PEK (at 1330 sm) and NRT-PVG (at 1118 sm) were routes that would be flown with 783s while the 788 would fly longer haul missions, like perhaps NRT-PHL or NRT-LIS.


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 3):
I would have thought that NRT-PEK (at 1330 sm) and NRT-PVG (at 1118 sm) were routes that would be flown with 783s while the 788 would fly longer haul missions, like perhaps NRT-PHL or NRT-LIS.

Regional training is probably the factor.

User currently onlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5057 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10650 times:

Would be cool to be among the first to board a 787!


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11318 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10456 times:
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Quoting Cslusarc (Reply 3):

Lots of airlines fly their new long haul aircraft on short haul routes for training purposes.

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10427 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
Lots of airlines fly their new long haul aircraft on short haul routes for training purposes.

Except Singapore Airlines' 777-300ER.

User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10282 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 7):
Except Singapore Airlines' 777-300ER.

They already fly the 777-300 though.... it's like it's an entirely new type like 787...

NW when it got some of the very first 747-400s flew them from MSP - Boseman, MT for instance, for training.


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1415 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10189 times:

From the article.
A 747-400 it could easily be recognised, not having the familiar upturned wing fairing.

What does this mean? Are they speaking of the winglet?


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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 8):
They already fly the 777-300 though.... it's like it's an entirely new type like 787...

The 777-300ER has different product orientation compared to the 777-300 and other fleet they have.

User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 8):
NW when it got some of the very first 747-400s flew them from MSP - Boseman, MT for instance, for training.

Indeed, and BA flew the 777s between London and Paris for a while before introducing them on the WorldWide fleet.

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

Hopefully the rumored NGO-SEA will eventually pan out.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3597 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9906 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 12):
Hopefully the rumored NGO-SEA will eventually pan out.

Please! Please! Please!

I think new North American Routes will be established and maybe some European expansion/reintroduction. I also hope they will take advantage of their 5th freedom rights via the US to tackle South America.

New International Y would be nice.


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9788 times:

Good to see the first routes set... How long are they going to be flying the regional routes? One season?

I'm excited with anticipation to hear the confirmation of NRT-SAN with their 787s!


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9654 times:
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Quoting San747 (Reply 14):
I'm excited with anticipation to hear the confirmation of NRT-SAN with their 787s!

I suspect you may need a longer runway at SAN before that happens!

User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2425 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 7):
Except Singapore Airlines' 777-300ER.

You are wrong - 9VSWA comes to Hong Kong every other day.


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 15):
I suspect you may need a longer runway at SAN before that happens!

AFAIK, the 787 can do SAN-NRT from the current airport... Any aircraft (including 747) can do NRT-SAN, but the other way round is the problem for most aircraft.

The 787 is hopefully the miracle a/c that CAN do the westbound sector without a problem...


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2772 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8904 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
http://www.abtn.co.uk/Japanese_airline_gears_up_for_the_Boeing_787

Since the 783 isn't available until 2010, no surprise.
However, even the 744, MD11 or any new type of aircraft has always been first put on domestic routes first and then on int'l routes, so I am quite skeptical about the 788 starting its first revenue service on an int'l route. We will just have to see.....

To note: The journalist should get his/her fact straight, NH still operates 23 744s (10 744 & 13 744Ds). The first one should depart the fleet next year.

User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7886 times:
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Quoting San747 (Reply 17):
The 787 is hopefully the miracle a/c that CAN do the westbound sector without a problem...

my concern is the less than 3000m runway SAN has. while no figures are yet available for the 787 (Boeing are a month late, their website says that should have been up in Nov!) given the performance of the A330 and 777 it wouldn't be surprising to see the 787 need all that or even a little more.

User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7742 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 16):
You are wrong - 9VSWA comes to Hong Kong every other day.

Get your fact straight, SQ 77W's very first flight was actually to CDG on 05DEC then it went to HKG on 06DEC.

So it never really did any regional training on scheduled flight.

User currently offlineSka From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7422 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 15):
I suspect you may need a longer runway at SAN before that happens!

If the runway at SAN is long enough to handle a 747, it is definitely long enough to handle a 787.

Personally, I think that the 787 would fit perfectly on the NRT-HNL route.


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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1053 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7140 times:

What about BOS???? I honestly think this will be the first destination ANA chooses in America if AA doesnt already have the exclusive right to that route still.


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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

I hope they start NGO-MUC or KIX-MUC with the 788, seems like the perfect aircraft.


Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 3970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5854 times:
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Quoting Ska (Reply 21):
If the runway at SAN is long enough to handle a 747, it is definitely long enough to handle a 787.

there are 777 and A340 versions which require more TO field length than a 744

25 TinkerBelle: Yep. The 744D doesn't have the winglets. The sentence is not very well constructed though.
26 DTW757: So then it looks identical to a 747-300 or 747-200 SUD. I have to agree about the sentence as well. I would think the 747 would be recognizable with
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