Rom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1439 times:
I was spotting this afternoon in Marseilles' airport, behind the fences of course, when someone stopped by to tell me to leave. He was inside the perimeter of the airport, driving a car El Al, but he didn't seem to be a security agent.
I understand the problems that face Israel at the moment, and that the security around their planes has always been tight. But I guess if he didn't want me to spot the B737 of El Al, he would have left me spotting the other planes...
Well, the weird thing is that he told me that I could spot somewhere else, (because there is two main spotting places in Marseilles, one at the end of runway 32R, and the other (where I was today) along the runway 14R/32L)
I could have easily take a good shot of this plane at the other spotting place anyway...
He also told me about the "vigipirate plan" which states that the country is on a relatively high security alert (no surprises here) and that I needed an authorisation by the airport to spot, something that never occured to me in Marseilles (there is a procedure in this way around Paris CDG going on for a while now, but I wasn't aware of that in Marseilles).
1) Is there really the need of authorisation taking into account that I was not interferring with the operations, that I was behind the fences and above all that I was on a public path?
2) If this happen again, am I right to ask him his Security Agent ID, and that I want him to show me a paper saying that it is forbidden to take pictures at this particular point (as it seem alright at the second spotting place)?
3) What are the risks considering that it is impossible to find a text stating the status of photgraphy around Marseilles airport.
4) Final question, who is specificly authoried to tell me that I must leave my spotting place?
thanks a lot for your help, I guess my questions only concern French spotters but I will appreciate any kind of info/help
CRGsFuture From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 536 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1409 times:
Quoting Rom1: 1) Is there really the need of authorisation taking into account that I was not interferring with the operations, that I was behind the fences and above all that I was on a public path?
No, there is need for authorisation over the fact as you said you were not interering with the operations and in a public place. However LY security guards are known to be too authoritative. For a while at JFK they used the remote stand to check every person getting on.
Quote: 2) If this happen again, am I right to ask him his Security Agent ID, and that I want him to show me a paper saying that it is forbidden to take pictures at this particular point (as it seem alright at the second spotting place)?
I do not know about France, but in America I do have a right to ask especially if they are required to answer. It is not forbidden but he is fearful of LY's plane. Look, your not wrong but they are taught a certain way at LY, for security. Another problem is that he is a "diplomat" meaning if he shoots you he can be allowed to leave the country and did this due to the safety of himself.
The other two you'd have to ask someone in France.
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Sergeant655 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1344 times:
i took a picture of a plane taking off from inside the terminal at CDG. A lady from swissport told me that it is nat premitted to make photos in the airport. She was handling the singapore airlines flight leaving. there was no El Al around. is that the job of security, the police or who ever has a airport pass. I took several pictures of the airport including an unused security check with out problems untilll this lady saw me take a picture od the plane 2 people from my tour were on.
Pihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 3496 posts, RR: 72 Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
The only people who are in charge of airport security belong to the PAF (police de l'air et des frontières, meaning air and border police) and the gendarmes.
Nobody else has any right to tell you not to take pictures, certainly not an airline agent.
I've heard of some El Al security guys being a bit pushy. Just ask him to bring a gendarme along, and then you'd comply.
It is generally enough to send him somewhere else and leave you alone.
The "vigipirate" plans do not cover photography but the removal of immediate threats to security.And again it's the role of the police and the gendarmes.