AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
I'll chipp in $4000 but I want to be the cheif pilot.
May not be real, but unfortunately a real one would never get off the ground (A v B v C v E v Whatever disputes, Destination disputes, Legacy v LCC disputes, does Johan have enough time to be CEO, etc).
Jdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2058 times:
Ok how about this. The airline charges for employment. If you want to be a ramper you have to chip in $5k, a flight attendant $7k, CEO $100K. And if you want a say in what goes on then the charge is $100. That will make people think before they open their traps. Everyone would get a share in the company.
SE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 239 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2055 times:
That would be awesome! I'd fly you guys all the time!
Jambo From Tanzania, joined Dec 2004, 247 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1980 times:
Count me on.!
Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 1): There would be so much debate as to a/c type, base, etc. it would never get off the ground lol ..
Firstly, we need to decide where we are going to base our Airline. I think best would be to establish an Airline in Africa, probably Tanzania, Mozambique etc, where there is a growing travelling demand and that there are not many competetors to be faced.
The second reason is that we would require much less capital and the operational costs would be much less here in Africa. Eg: Labour etc etc,
Example, if we need US $1M to start of with the airline then we need 500 a.net members if each gives us $ 2000.
Jdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1878 times:
Quoting Jambo (Reply 6): I think best would be to establish an Airline in Africa, probably Tanzania, Mozambique etc
Yes, yes, yes. Africa is very underserved and the labor cost are less. And everyone knows that there are plenty of cheap planes sitting whating to fly.
Jdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1706 times:
$28mil will at least get us 2 747's and we find two points that are underserved or not served at all and we're all millionaires or at least thousandaires.
Aa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3336 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 11): $28mil will at least get us 2 747's and we find two points that are underserved or not served at all and we're all millionaires or at least thousandaires.
Um, no. Figure out the following:
1) Manual development
2) Headquarter costs
3) Flight attendant training costs
4) Simulator time
5) Safety cards
6) Insurance. (MIA minimum insurance for signatory carriers: $200mil)
7) Fuel
9) Hiring campagin
10) Marketing
11) Salaries
12) Legal fees
14) Computer costs
15) Software costs
16) Website development
17) Ground equipment
18) In-Flight Services equipment
19) Upfront lease costs
20) Painting the aircraft
21) Performing maintainence checks
There are so many more factors. The only way you are going to get two 747s for $28 mil and start up the carrier is if you start some sleazy fly-by-night carrier in Africa using ancient aircraft ready to fall out the sky with crews straight from prison.
Jdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1633 times:
Quoting Aa757first (Reply 12): The only way you are going to get two 747s for $28 mil and start up the carrier is if you start some sleazy fly-by-night carrier in Africa using ancient aircraft ready to fall out the sky with crews straight from prison.
And there is a problem with this business model.
Ok so we need more money. Most of the above can be contracted out.
PolAir From United States of America, joined May 2001, 893 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1562 times:
Seriously though, Central-Eastern Europe would be perfect place to start an airline. Potential is huge, with 10 new EU members underserved and Russia opening its skies soon... Millions of people who don't make much money yet, but in couple years...
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
But you can start with a "fake" new airline,that basically operates third party aircraft and re-sells the seats under your brandname.
That eliminates initial overhead,you dont have to worry about a operating licence - once you establish the logo and proof of concept,you still can make the big jump. In France there is an airline that uses planes from " Aéropostale" in wet-lease ( the airline is called Westair ) and is growing slowly b ut steadily.
Jdaniel001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 17): But you can start with a "fake" new airline,that basically operates third party aircraft and re-sells the seats under your brandname.
I always wondered if that would work? I think there is a real market here.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1387 times:
http://www.flywest.fr/
that is the web-site ( in french only ) of Flywest ( formerly Westair ) based in Brest . They have access to the french postal services Boeing fleet and sell sheduled flights using their crew and aircraft.
If you visit the page " who are we or "qui sommes nous , "you will find the captal of the company is only 40.000 Euros.
No need to have tens of millions of Euros cash if you have a decent business-plan and at least two banks backing you up.
The risc for the lessor is relatively small.
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