Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4089 posts, RR: 7 Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4992 times:
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New jet service planned between Atlanta and Hickory, Atlanta and Kinston; Raleigh-Durham to gain new non-stop flights to New Orleans, Tampa Bay
ATLANTA, Dec. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Delta (NYSE: DAL - News) customers soon will find it easier to travel to most any region of the Tar Heel state thanks to new Delta Connection jet service planned for three North Carolina communities.
Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) will introduce the only non-stop jet service between Atlanta and Kinston, N.C., and between Atlanta and Hickory, N.C., effective April 1 and May 1, respectively. Customers in both communities will enjoy three daily flights to Atlanta - the world's largest single-airline hub - where they will have access to more than 1,000 daily Delta and Delta Connection flights to nearly 200 worldwide destinations.
Additionally, beginning March 2, Delta Connection carrier Chautauqua Airlines will introduce two daily non-stop flights between Raleigh-Durham and New Orleans, while increasing to three the number of daily roundtrip flights between Raleigh-Durham and Tampa/St. Petersburg/Clearwater. The new flights between Raleigh-Durham and New Orleans will be the only non-stop service offered by any airline between the two cities and join a long list of non-stop destinations already available to Raleigh-Durham customers, including Delta and Delta Connection service to Atlanta, Boston, Cincinnati, Fort Lauderdale, Orlando, New York (LaGuardia and JFK) and Tampa/St. Petersburg/Clearwater.
With the new service, Delta and Delta Connection carriers will offer North Carolina customers a total of 130 daily departures from eight hometown airports - Asheville, Charlotte, Fayetteville, Greensboro/Winston Salem/High Point, Hickory, Kinston, Raleigh-Durham and Wilmington.
ATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4830 times:
That was UA who had the flights to DEN.
I'm glad DL is starting this service. I don't think they compete totally head to head with AA/Eagle. They have a few over lapping routes but am glad to see RDU-MSY non-stop again. I'm VERY surprised with ISO service. I'm wondering if they are going to be getting government money for that route.
Success is getting what you want...happiness is liking what you get
Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4598 times:
I'm sorry..Hickory and Kinston are bad moves. Esp. three flights a day. I don't see the opportunity to make money on an RJ route that long to MSY, and finally will someone tell me where exactly DL plans to park these extra rjs? They are already maxed out on their gates 17 & 18 and their overnight parking situation is a nightmare with having to park about four rjs on the fbo ramp.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4552 times:
I don't see the opportunity to make money on an RJ route that long to MSY
All RJ markets... all doing well on their own.. I don't think RDU-MSY is very bad of a move.. it's a total of 140 seats a day.. I think RDU can handle that.. I would expect that it would probably be ~70-75% capacity.. the route did okay with JI and I do believe they used F100 (if not, it was the 737 at 2x daily).. It will provide some good leisure, business, and military traffic.. I think the flight will do well.. but we shall see what pre-flight bookings look like to see.. we have 3 months to see..
and finally will someone tell me where exactly DL plans to park these extra rjs?
Now THAT is a good question.. they can park 2 more at the FBO.. but there is a large RON area being constructed at the GA Terminal.. I assume there will be several airlines parking a/c over there.. it looks like it should be open by March or so... but RDU does need to work on an A/C parking lot on both terminal sides..
Edit: Add that DL is supposed to get gate A19 and AirTran is supposed to move to A24.. that would give DL another gate AND another area to park at least 1-2 more RJ...
Flyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1015 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
um..RDU-DFW won't be around for too much longer..STL is only out of nessecity (sp?) due to AA trying to keep somewhat of a presence. RDU-AUS is subsidised by business as well as SAS keeps the seats full to IND...although I never did understand why. MSY only made money around Mardi Gras because they could charge the money for the seats. Otherwise JI tried a combonation of RJ/F100/737 finally deciding to stick with the 737. About the only way they made money on the route, even with being an AA codeshare at the time, was by filling the belly with Mail/Cargo, and an RJ doesn't have the capacity to do this..
oh..and dont count your chickens on the parking ramp at GA. Piedmont is getting ready to construct their largest hanger there soon.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4511 times:
I think that what you will find is that 50% of RDU is business traffic... 50% is leisure traffic.. regardless of why or how the service is run, how it came to be, or who is paying for it.. it is still a profitable destination... I don't think DL just decided to throw 2 RJ at RDU for the hell of it.. and neither did NW.. I think they are the last company to do that.. I don't think they are experimental routes either.. STL is a heavy travelled business route, also.. quite profitable for AA (hence the 6th flight added in Apr I think)...
Piedmont just completed their current hanger built in the past year... why are they builiding another? They choose that hanger.. crazy to start building another one so soon after opening their current one.. I mean, they (along with Southern Jet) do get business, but...
As of yesterday when I was atthe GA terminal, it looked like they were on their final phase for the GA apron area.. I asked a RDUAA manager what they were doing (as of July) and she said it was an increased apron area.. nothing about a new hanger.. in fact, she told me that they didn't want any hangers where beside the runway because it would block the view from the GA terminal.. but, who knows...
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4473 times:
Just checked out Piedmont, and they are indeed supposed to build an additional 3 hangers at RDU.. so where is DL supposed to park these extra A/C? I have no idea.. perhaps they will squeeze them in their new gate area.. that's about all I can guess right now.. although.. all I can see is 1 extra RJ from the MSY flight and 1 extra from the TPA flight perhaps.. they can easily be parked at the new gate... they currently park 3 deep at some of the gates at RDU..
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4415 times:
RDU-LAX probably won't be seen for a while... all the cries are just wishful thinking.. hoping perhaps some CEO will read this forum.. I do it, we all do it.. it will happen when/if it happens.. it's just fun to throw certain destiantions out there..
When I start my airline.. expect to see RDU-LAX... and if my friend has a say.. he wants me to call it Triple X Airways... where everybody wants to join the club.. LOL..
Where are these hangers supposed to be located? I know RDUAA doens't want the view from the GA Terminal's outdoor deck obstructed...
Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4345 times:
Dellta and fully owned and operated ASA/Comair board the most passengers in/out of RDU.
This is part of a systmatic effort by Delta to go after Airtran. DL is getting more demand by offering a non-stop flight versus Airtan's ATL connecting service. This also frees up Delta's ATL mainline flights to offer more discounted seats to make things difficult for them in ATL.
Craven Regional Airport authorities are scratching their heads with Thursday's announcement that Delta Airlines plans to begin service between Kinston and its Atlanta hub.
They're wondering why the airline picked Kinston instead of the New Bern airport.
"Shocked and surprised is the best way to describe our reaction," said Jim Creech, chairman of Craven County Regional Airport Authority. "We've been in touch with Delta Airlines and didn't know anything about this coming."
Creech said airport officials and the airport's agent, Sexton Airlines Consultants, have "diligently tried to attract Delta to this area for quite some time."
Officials did say they were pleased for the opportunities the flights, set to begin April 1, offer the state and the region but admit they don't understand Delta's decision.
"I'm surprised and disappointed it isn't us," said Larry Scantlin, Craven County Regional Airport director. "We've been breaking records with passenger traffic because US Airways has really worked on their fares to be in competition with other airlines."
US Airways, with flights to Charlotte, is the lone commercial airline to serve the airport. Midway, which offered flights to Raleigh, left Craven after it declared bankruptcy following the 9-11 attacks.
"My congratulations to Kinston and the effort they've put in to develop this direct connection," said Jim Davis, Craven County Economic Development Commission director. "Maybe Kinston marketed as a jet connection will ignite some people's interest and hopefully Craven County Regional Airport can work through its team to convince others to offer service here in addition to US Airways."
The announcement comes on the heels of Onslow County's airport getting US Airways jet service to Charlotte.Uhmm.. when was this announced?
"I don't know what impact that will have on us, but I'm sure it will have some" John Price, an authority member and former airport director, said of the two announcements.
"When we heard the Jacksonville thing, the two US Airways jet flights a week, I figured it was because of the fact that Jacksonville traffic has increased so rapidly in the last year and in the fleet, turbo jets are becoming the rarity.
"We will continue to do whatever we can to attract jet service here. I'm sure it will be forthcoming in the future."
Creech said the airport's 6,000-foot runway could handle the 40-passenger jets.
"I don't know what reaction will come from US Airways," he said. "It may possibly mean they will feel the need to serve us with regional jets as well."
Passenger traffic to New Bern is at its highest level since before 9-11 and is higher than ever recorded at Kinston before commercial service was terminated there Jan. 2, 2000, Scantlin said.
A total of 144,265 passengers either got on or off a plane at the Craven airport from January through October, which is 26,226 more than for the same period in 2003.
US Airways is in bankruptcy but has not threatened to pull service from the Craven airport.
Aiming High and going far..
25 Flyibaby: ERJ, Now you know why I am questioning DL's moves? I seriously doubt there are subsidies in either the Kinston or Hickory deals because their is sched
26 7E72004: Here i thought PIE was going to get DL connection service
27 ERJ170: FlyIbaby, I wondered what DL was thinking with HKY and ISO also. I know ISO had $200,000 for advertisement and set up for DL. I, however, don't see mu
28 FlyPNS1: I don't know if RDU-MSY will work, but DL seems to make RDU-FLL work (they're expanding it from the current 2x daily to 5x daily). Granted the South F
29 ERJ170: Delta is currently the only airline serving FLL from RDU. What is interesting that a LOT of traffic and new residents in the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hil
30 ATWZW170: ERJ, I never heard that OAJ was going to be US Airways Express jet service but sure as heck, it's in the computer. Last flight out of OAJ. Never thoug
31 ERJ170: Actually, it's 3 flights out of 8 will be CRJ...big upgrade for OAJ... I am still very shocked EWN is getting blackballed like they are.. completely o
32 Scootertrash: Runway length at EWN is a big reason why they will not see jet service for a while. The CR7 may be able to do it with a fair amount of weight restrict
33 ATWZW170: E. NC has been a cash cow! US has been able to charge a premium into markets such as EWN, OAJ, PGV, even ILM to some extent. RDU - MSY might do ok. Is
34 RDUBE90Pilot: ERJ170, There will be one more hangar to go up at Piedmont. It will be along the same line as the current hangars but set back a little bit towards th
35 ERJ170: okay.. interesting.. Eric, Do you know how the hanger for AE is working out? Isn't it being built beside the SAS hanger? From what I read, it is the f