JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 3344 posts, RR: 43 Posted (3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1578 times:
It has been more than a week since Gary's announcement about the new creative rule and the pictures are starting to get in. Looking back at the shots accepted (I presume) under the new rule) I think it has been a good decision. Let's have a look:
Some might not like all shots above, and some might not fall into the new category, but the direction is clear. Although Tim's first shot was much debated, some amazing photo's are now entering the database! Another observation I made looking for these shots is that they all had relatively high view numbers so obviously they are popular!
but I must say some users are not happy about this rule. They are frustrated why their picture doesn't fall under the new creative rule and others do. I am sure you headscreeners and screeners received a lot of emails about it.
I know it is hard to judge and to decide if a pic is creative or not. Problem with it is: some people think a shot is creative, others don't.
And I am sure this problem will be seen in the future as well.
I have a shot rejected as well. I think it got to the headscreeners because it might be a creative shot. But then it got rejected for 4 different "normal" reasons.
Does this mean it is just bad or is it not applying for the creative rule?
I hope we see some awesome shots here in the future. Some are really good.
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INNflight From Austria, joined Apr 2004, 3409 posts, RR: 60 Reply 4, posted (3 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1526 times:
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2): They are frustrated why their picture doesn't fall under the new creative rule and others do.
Because lots of people think the tag "creative" can be applied to any photograph, just because it is different (read: maybe lower quality, or technically flawed).
Damien846 From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2006, 247 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1491 times:
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 2): but I must say some users are not happy about this rule. They are frustrated why their picture doesn't fall under the new creative rule and others do. I am sure you headscreeners and screeners received a lot of emails about it.
I know it is hard to judge and to decide if a pic is creative or not. Problem with it is: some people think a shot is creative, others don't.
And I am sure this problem will be seen in the future as well.
I have a shot rejected as well. I think it got to the headscreeners because it might be a creative shot. But then it got rejected for 4 different "normal" reasons.
Does this mean it is just bad or is it not applying for the creative rule?
I hope we see some awesome shots here in the future. Some are really good.
I put 4 shots in the queue and marked them as "Creative" but 3 were rejected for normal reason, which I don't have a problem with as once pointed out to me the quality was not there!
I guess photos even creative ones still need to be high quality?
I just glad one did get in! Thanks for the plug Jurgen
Lets hope we see many more shots!
Damien
TimdeGroot From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 3278 posts, RR: 64 Reply 6, posted (3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1482 times:
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Hi Guys
Yes creative shots need to be of high quality, with leniency for really difficult shots.
Also, there is no special screening process for "creative" shots and putting "creative" in the comments isn't going to give it special treatment.
We basically screen as normal. When we pick up on something different or "creative" the shot will be discussed by several screeners on artistic and technical merit and most likely in the end the headscreeners.
All shots including "creative" ones will be rejected for the regular reasons. Motive will be given if the shot doesnt fit our "creative" standards (which we are still developing)
I think the above are some good examples of what is possible. I'm sure many rejections will also show what is not possible. Yes there will be perceived inconsistencies and what we allow is what we as screeners like but there's no other way around it. We've taken a risky step and I think it's paying off. We knew there would be some inevitable frustrations from people who think their creative attempt deserve a place on a.net but were rejected.
WILCO737 From Germany, joined Jun 2004, 4215 posts, RR: 68 Reply 7, posted (3 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1455 times:
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Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6): Yes there will be perceived inconsistencies and what we allow is what we as screeners like but there's no other way around it.
And I think that is the thing some user get frustrated about. Their picutes will be screened by personal measures from the screeners and not by "real" rules as it is done without the creative rule.
Of course, there is no other way at the moment.
Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6): Motive will be given if the shot doesnt fit our "creative" standards (which we are still developing)
I hope these standards are set soon.
Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6): I think the above are some good examples of what is possible.
Yeah, indeed awesome shots And I am sure there are more to come.
WILCO737 (MD11F)
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EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 3041 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1280 times:
I think some of the shots are amazing (although correct me if I'm wrong but a few of the above would have been acceted regardless of creative?). I'm still disturbed by a few points regarding the new rule, especially because of the inconsisitencies that we will see, which are a logic effect of the new rule, since creativity is subjective to whoever is looking at it and I'm afraid it's going to be tough to have all screeners think the same about some of these shots. I guess we'll have to wait and see, but as I said, some of these shots are truly amazing and are a treat to watch
StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 3473 posts, RR: 32 Reply 13, posted (3 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
This is in my opinion one of the biggest steps forward for Anet since I have been a member.. or longer. Some great work surfacing and looking forward to more.
Quoting TimdeGroot (Reply 6): "creative" standards (which we are still developing)
Not sure how you achieve that, like to think you won't try too hard, that will only defeat the purpose.
Quoting WILCO737 (Reply 7): And I think that is the thing some user get frustrated about. Their picutes will be screened by personal measures from the screeners and not by "real" rules as it is done without the creative rule.
I think as long as feedback by the community on the accepted images stays constructive and some share their rejections in a constructive way there will always be a guide for the screening team that they are on the right track(or not).
Cheers
Chris
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